what would be necessary for me to run a non-electronic instrument thru my effects?

[jonathan_matos5]

i have an odd idea involving my ehx bassballs a plunger mute and some distortion.

 

 

 

im thinking ill need a lot of stuff to not get residual sound from the horn before the effects. or perhaps just a mike and some software.

[hi.flyer]

Yea, try one of those 'silent brass' things that's like, a mute w/ a mic. Doesn't stuff like that exist?

[jonathan_matos5]

Yea, try one of those 'silent brass' things that's like, a mute w/ a mic. Doesn't stuff like that exist?

 

 

yes they exist, but those things cost about $400, and i wont be able to use the plunger mute.

[gspointer]

Try one of these?

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sennheiser-evolution-e908-B-Condenser-Wind-Instrument-Microphone?sku=270866

 

or these

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/AKG-C519M-Condenser-Microphone?sku=270508

 

?

[Thumper]

Use a directional cardioid mic, such as a Shure SM 57.

[jonathan_matos5]

crap looks like this idea is currently out of my budget.

[gspointer]

Holy crap, AKG used to sell a set with a D112 and 3 or 4 clip-ons for 600 or so bucks. I figured the clip-ons would be cheap on ebay. Does not appear to be the case. If you can find a suitable mount for a shure 57, they work pretty well for horns.

[Incubitabus]

i have an odd idea involving my ehx bassballs a plunger mute and some distortion. im thinking ill need a lot of stuff to not get residual sound from the horn before the effects. or perhaps just a mike and some software.

 

Can you give me a clearer picture of what you're trying to accomplish?

[jonathan_matos5]

Can you give me a clearer picture of what you're trying to accomplish?

 

i imagine it would sound almost chainsaw like

 

 

 

i have little money, well no money, but i have some gigs coming in the near future that will give me some money for toys.

 

i might have about $200 by the end of October.

[Incubitabus]

i imagine it would sound almost chainsaw like i have little money, well no money, but i have some gigs coming in the near future that will give me some money for toys. i might have about $200 by the end of October.

 

uhh... I still have no idea what you're talking about. I assume this has something to do with your horn, but I don't understand what is supposed to be producing or picking up the sound: the plunger or the horn?

[jonathan_matos5]

 

uhh... I still have no idea what you're talking about. I assume this has something to do with your horn, but I don't understand what is supposed to be producing or picking up the sound: the plunger or the horn?

 

 

maybe this will help...

 

 

[YOUTUBE]ovXQktSCtWE[/YOUTUBE]

 

+ effects listed in my original post:thu:

[Incubitabus]

 

+ effects listed in my original post:thu:

 

 

Well nothing you would mount to the plunger or horn would really be able to catch any or all of the effect... Whats wrong with just making an effects loop on the stage mic line?

[Guttermouth]

i have an odd idea involving my ehx bassballs a plunger mute and some distortion. im thinking ill need a lot of stuff to not get residual sound from the horn before the effects. or perhaps just a mike and some software.

 

 

I've got a couple of old acoustic pickup elements that work really well. i use one on the saw and on the banjo. the banjo sounds really nice and natural but, with the saw you can hear the bow dragging across the blade.

if you're recording you can just go back in after the fact and shelf off the lows and high and cut any really offensive frequencies.

[jonathan_matos5]

Well nothing you would mount to the plunger or horn would really be able to catch any or all of the effect... Whats wrong with just making an effects loop on the stage mic line?

 

i already know that this setup wont work live. i just wanna do it.

[Guttermouth]

ok,

after seeing the yt video - i think you should pick up a super cheap mic,rip the element out,solder it to a 1/4 inch jack and glue it to the inside of the plunger.

[jonathan_matos5]

 

ok, after seeing the yt video - i think you should pick up a super cheap mic,rip the element out,solder it to a 1/4 inch jack and glue it to the inside of the plunger.

 

 

that wont sound right, i could put the cheap mike on a stand and play with the plunger into the mike. the mike inside the plunger would sound weird.

[BeeTL]

What about a bullet harmonica mike?

 

 

[jonathan_matos5]

What about a bullet harmonica mike?

 

might work.

[82Daion]

You could put a contact mic on the plunger.

 

[Guttermouth]

 

the mike inside the plunger would sound weird.

 

 

 

why so?

[BeeTL]

 

might work.

 

Might?!!!

 

WTF???

[Incubitabus]

 

why so?

 

 

Well the reason the plunger works is because it is only allowing lower frequency sound waves to escape the instrument when the plunger is over it, much the way that a person's voice loses high frequencies when you close a door between them and the listener.

 

Putting a mic inside the plunger is like having the mic hanging on the inside of the door. Having it outside the plunger will work when the plunger is on the horn, but it will be useless when he lifts is off of the horn.

[jonathan_matos5]

 

Might?!!! WTF???

 

 

i cannot afford stuff right now, it probably would do the trick but right now only if i could borrow one.

[jonathan_matos5]

 

Well the reason the plunger works is because it is only allowing lower frequency sound waves to escape the instrument when the plunger is over it, much the way that a person's voice loses high frequencies when you close a door between them and the listener. Putting a mic inside the plunger is like having the mic hanging on the inside of the door. Having it outside the plunger will work when the plunger is on the horn, but it will be useless when he lifts is off of the horn.

 

 

correct. the desired sound with any mute is on the outside of the mute. really to mike an instrument you want the sound about a six inches to a foot from it the instrument.

[BeeTL]

i cannot afford stuff right now, it probably would do the trick but right now only if i could borrow one.

Sorry, I got a little excited...some times my sense of humor doesn't play well on teh interwebz.

 

Anyhoo, I expect that Trombone > bullet > effects board > Bassman 4x10 =