tonights Debate

[RIC N BACKER]

McCain is a scarry Mother {censored}er......

 

 

It looked almost like a Kennedy Nixon debate....Old guy looking stupid and afraid of loosing and young guy looking calm and in charge

 

 

I am a Registered Repulican and I cant get behind this guy

[PaulyWally]

 

It looked almost like a Kennedy Nixon debate....Old guy looking stupid and afraid of loosing and young guy looking calm and in charge

 

 

Hmmm... I wouldn't say Obama looked "calm and in charge".

 

McCain may have looked stupid and afraid... but to me, Obama looked nervous and scared.

 

'Course, I don't like either one of them.

[ThudMaker]

I like watching the post debate and seeing how the pundits see things and then the "independents" make points about the debate that screws up the pundits' comments.

[Thunderbroom]

I didn't see any of it but listened to about 20 minutes of it on the radio.

 

McCain sounded like a doddering old fool. Obama stammered as he always seems to with the "uhhs" and the "tuhhs".

 

Good job America!

[RIC N BACKER]

 

Hmmm... I wouldn't say Obama looked "calm and in charge". McCain may have looked stupid and afraid... but to me, Obama looked nervous and scared. 'Course, I don't like either one of them.

 

 

 

 

Maybe not calm and in charge but much more of a even tempered dude. Seemed very mellow in the face of McCains attitudes.

 

I am very confused....Neither one is on my top ten list but I just dont know what to do....

[Thunderbroom]

 

I am very confused....Neither one is on my top ten list but I just dont know what to do....

 

 

Don't vote for President.

 

Why would you cast a vote for either of these two when you admit neither is in your top ten? If there's not a 3rd party candidate that is inline with your views, don't vote.

[Brother Mango]

Don't vote for President. Why would you cast a vote for either of these two when you admit neither is in your top ten? If there's not a 3rd party candidate that is inline with your views, don't vote.

 

Can a case be made for voting for the least odious? In other words, what if a person hates McCain but finds Obama roundly unbearable? Should a person at least vote to keep Obama out of office?

 

Not voting might actually clear the path for Obama.

 

I've heard of effort to keep certain people from voting.

[gspointer]

 

I didn't see any of it but listened to about 20 minutes of it on the radio. McCain sounded like a doddering old fool. Obama stammered as he always seems to with the "uhhs" and the "tuhhs". Good job America!

 

 

Once again I can show my disdain by voting for an independent that I would vote for, but essentially throw my vote away, or decide which of the 2 (neither of which I want as president) I dislike less and basically vote against someone.

 

 

I am really leaning hard to a write-in or independent, it may be a wasted vote, but I could vote FOR someone for a change.

[Thunderbroom]

Can a case be made for voting for the least odious? In other words, what if a person hates McCain but finds Obama roundly unbearable? Should a person at least vote to keep Obama out of office? Not voting might actually clear the path for Obama. I've heard of effort to keep certain people from voting.

 

I'm certain you've heard this before, but just in case:

 

If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still getting evil.

 

It's how I roll.

[Thunderbroom]

 

basically vote against someone.

 

 

Your intent may be to vote against someone, but the vote you cast shows up as a vote for someone.

 

Your call. I can't and won't do it.

[wades_keys]

Can a case be made for voting for the least odious? In other words, what if a person hates McCain but finds Obama roundly unbearable? Should a person at least vote to keep Obama out of office? Not voting might actually clear the path for Obama. I've heard of effort to keep certain people from voting.

The lesser of 2 evils philosophy.....

 

Don't discount peer pressure and groupthink either - in a community such as this, there will be those that don't want to "rock the boat" or appear unpopular.

 

Take this thread for example, which seems to be leaning more towards the "i don't care for either candidate" side of things.....

 

Our desire to find common ground and commune with others is pretty strong.

[willsellout]

The lesser of 2 evils philosophy..... Don't discount peer pressure and groupthink either - in a community such as this, there will be those that don't want to "rock the boat" or appear unpopular. Take this thread for example, which seems to be leaning more towards the "i don't care for either candidate" side of things..... Our desire to find common ground and commune with others is pretty strong.

 

I already voted for Obama. Tonight's debate solidified my choice. I won't debate why, but I'm comfortable in my position now.

 

 

Dan

[Brother Mango]

 

I'm certain you've heard this before, but just in case: If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still getting evil. It's how I roll.

 

 

I can understand that if a person saw their choices at a real extreme. If we take a scale of +100 down through -100, I could understand not participating if my 2 choices were both around + 95 or both near -95. But if my 2 choices are -30 and -80, there might be a reason to get involved to help avoid the -80 possibility. Maybe -30 means higher taxes and -80 means a military draft.

 

If the choices were +30 and +80, would you argue that there's no point to vote for more good because good is still good?

[wades_keys]

 

I already voted for Obama. Tonight's debate solidified my choice. I won't debate why, but I'm comfortable in my position now. Dan

 

 

Same here - in my opinion he is the sensible choice.

 

Diane and I were just talking about this:

 

McCain's health-care plan just reeks; no incentive for employers to maintain group coverage, it's all on the individual.

 

I carried that burden for my family 3 years ago, and it cost me over 1, 200 a month for basic PPO coverage.

 

That 5 grand is but a drop in the bucket; plus, expect that rate to go even higher, and more employers to drop healthcare benefits because they can.

 

That's just one of many reasons why I can't vote for McCain.

 

His economic team contains one of the worst ceo's in corporate history, Carly Fiorina (ex) HP. She cut HP to the bone. (sounds familiar, huh? Economic problems? Just cut spending...)

 

Obama has Warren Buffett on his side....nuff said.

[Brother Mango]

I've said before that after I saw politics from the inside (in Washington DC and at the Kennedy School of Government) I vowed never to vote again. So, I'm under no illusion about voting and its real impact.

 

So, my questions to Thunderbroom are more academic, coming from Decison or Game Theory.

 

I really wonder if it really makes sense to avoid voting against someone or something because that vote or selection of the other thing looks like support of it.

 

 

I think there are ways that we can communicate "No! I wasn't supporting this, I was only voting against that other thing."

 

GW Bush went about bragging about his clout. He soon found that he didn't have as much as he thought, and I wonder if that's evidence of, "Hey, don't flatter yourself, you were the lesser of 2 evils."

[J.]

McCain is done. I agree with the Nixon/Kennedy comparison. If the debate is a draw in terms of back-and-forth and issues, Obama still wins by a good margin. Even if McCain smoked him in the debate (which he didn't), he's still a goofy old man and Obama is a good looking dude.

 

I just heard a lady say she wants "someone who inspires my creativity" for President. People don't vote on issues. This is American Idol - Politics Edition.

 

Again, unless something drastic changes, McCain is done.

[Brother Mango]

I've said before that after I saw politics from the inside (in Washington DC and at the Kennedy School of Government) I vowed never to vote again. So, I'm under no illusion about voting and its real impact. So, my questions to Thunderbroom are more academic, coming from Decison or Game Theory. I really wonder if it really makes sense to avoid voting against someone or something because that vote or selection of the other thing looks like support of it. I think there are ways that we can communicate "No! I wasn't supporting this, I was only voting against that other thing." GW Bush went about bragging about his clout. He soon found that he didn't have as much as he thought, and I wonder if that's evidence of, "Hey, don't flatter yourself, you were the lesser of 2 evils."

 

 

Maybe this is why the settings for jazz are often so sedate: the performers don't want to know how truly unenthused the audience is. If people are feeling a blues band, they'll dance or shout. If the band is sucking ass, the dancefloor is clear and no one pays attention.

 

Jazz? Sedate the audience and the musicians can be EVEN MORE self-indulgent and not have to content with the audiences' disinterest, and the fact that they opted for the jazz performance because the John Mayer tickets were sold out.

 

Yeah baby! Walk that damned bassline ... and keep it un-funky!

[Bass8987]

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote

alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never

lost."

 

John Quincy Adams

[Brother Mango]

McCain is done. I agree with the Nixon/Kennedy comparison. If the debate is a draw in terms of back-and-forth and issues, Obama still wins by a good margin. Even if McCain smoked him in the debate (which he didn't), he's still a goofy old man and Obama is a good looking dude. I just heard a lady say she wants "someone who inspires my creativity" for President. People don't vote on issues. This is American Idol - Politics Edition. Again, unless something drastic changes, McCain is done.

 

 

Is this what you're saying:

 

 

 

McCain's goose is cooked?

[Emprov]

Obama was on the defensive through much of the debate, I think it was the first time in the election where I've actually seen McCain control the conversation. As the debate went on, the topics allowed both to talk about softer issues, leaving Obama to do what he does best. For most of the first half of the debate, Obama was a broken record "95% of Americans,...", but again, he finished strongly.

[willsellout]

 

Obama was on the defensive through much of the debate, I think it was the first time in the election where I've actually seen McCain control the conversation. As the debate went on, the topics allowed both to talk about softer issues, leaving Obama to do what he does best. For most of the first half of the debate, Obama was a broken record "95% of Americans,...", but again, he finished strongly.

 

 

I think McCain's plan was {censored}ed from the beginning. He was on the offensive, for sure but I think Obama expected it and used the time to actually explain to those that are too lazy to get the information that is readily available. I think people got a lot of information from Obama, whilst getting annoyed with McCain's lack of tact.

 

 

Dan

[lokidecat]

McCain was disrespectful snorting and making derisive remarks the entire time.

 

He showed no poise, no respect, and was unbefitting of someone begging to hold the highest office in the land.

 

Were a McCain supporter, I would be sick to my stomach right now for supporting him all this time.

 

If anyone still can support that old, dusty, angry, shell of a man, I have pity on them. I don't think they're stupid, but I feel sorry for them if they do.

[Kindness]

I didn't get a chance to see it as I was on a plane coming back from vacation. I do know that I expected earlier this year that McCain would be able to play the middle a lot stronger than either Hillary or Obama. He has absolutely failed in every respect, which in my opinion isn't a bad thing as I've taken some time to learn more about him including talking to people that have worked around him for the past few decades and from all I can tell he is no less a scum than Obama. In fact, the more I learn about him, the more he looks personality wise as a pretty lousy guy. In the end, I'm ecstatic we don't have Hillary as a candidate and I'm actually going to be quite happy to have a president that isn't a white dude.

[DevilRaysFan]

I still dont understand why other parties' candidates are not allowed to debate

 

If you are on the ticket, you should be allowed to the debate

[lokidecat]

 

I still dont understand why other parties' candidates are not allowed to debate If you are on the ticket, you should be allowed to the debate

 

 

This bothered me, too. I think it's very wrong that they only let two of the parties in the debate.

 

Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, Alan Keyes, Charles Jay, Gene Amondson, Ted Weill, Gloria La Riva, Brian Moore and Roger Calero should all be on the stage.

 

It would be unwieldy, but fair.