Members been_effected Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 Played one today through a 410XLT, sounded like freaking butter. Was very suprised at how versatile the semi parametric EQ was. I've spotted a few going for a good price used, and was wondering what they were like! I was here when catphish went through his ordeal with their CS, but I was more wondering if anyone else has got one/wanted one and what you think... Hit me with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm a fan of the Eden tone, but with the departure of David and the fairly recent QC concerns I wouldn't buy any of the newer ones. I'd buy a tried and true one that's been around a bit. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jpabassman Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I don't have the 550 but I do have the WT-300 And WT-800, the WT's all have the same preamp & sound basically the same( different power ratings & headroom). The WT-300 I have had since 1993 bought used. Never had a single problem with it and still have it. About a year and a half ago I bought a WT-800 used also, made in the mid 90's, I got it because I wanted to drive (2) - 4ohm 410XLT's, the 300 can't but the 800 can (the 550 can also I think). It died on me once (before a gig), I sent it back to the factory UPS, cost about $50 to ship, $75 deposite for Eden to start the work, I got it back within 3 weeks, no additional charges. It's been working great ever since & this amp see's alot of use 240+ gigs/yr. I used the WT-300 with a pwr amp during the down time. There were no hassels when I dealt with cust serv, they never did tell me what they fixed, I could call & find out but it's been working great & that's all I care about. This is just my own experence with eden. Also according to the info Eden has put out on there Forum Daivd is still involved in the company (design/devopement) even though US Music Corp owns them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members been_effected Posted November 19, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm a fan of the Eden tone, but with the departure of David and the fairly recent QC concerns I wouldn't buy any of the newer ones. I'd buy a tried and true one that's been around a bit.Dan The one I might have access to is about 3 years old. Refresh my memory, how long ago did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 The one I might have access to is about 3 years old. Refresh my memory, how long ago did that happen? I think US Music took over about 3 years ago, but I'm not 100% sure. David Nordschow's departure was earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I think US Music took over about 3 years ago, but I'm not 100% sure. David Nordschow's departure was earlier this year. I had no idea he had left. I had an WT-400 head that never gave me problems. I used it live and at home. I also had a CXC-210 combo I had bought used. It arrived with one of the speakers crackling. I took it to a local repair shop, and they worked with Eden to get the parts they needed. I got the ball rolling, and I'm pretty sure I talked directly with David. I never had any additional problems with that combo while I had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I had a 550 for a good while, and it's a baaad little mofo! The only main problems they did have (haven't read anything about there being much stink lately) was with the 800C and I think the 1205 series. Unfortunately, those were their flagship models so it caught a lot of steam in the Eden-bashing deal. I never heard about major component failures or design flaws with any of the 550 models. I had a 550B and it was rock-solid, even at high volumes and down to 2 ohms. Was using a 212XLT 4 ohm and 410XLT 4 ohm. Was blowin' fools over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chugheshc2 Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 bought a used wt-600 in 2002, has worked fine since then. no complaints, used it in bridge mode, drove all kinds of cabinets, 1X15, 2X15, 2X15+2X7+horn,2X10 never broke a sweat. Also used it for subwoofer duty at PA gig. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bryan316 Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I've had my WT-550B since spring of 2006. I ran it into an Ampeg SVT610HLF for a year. Summer of 2007 I found an Eden 210XLT 4-ohm and Eden 212XLT 4-ohm. Bought em without hesitation. I've played that rig at every show since then. I've recently done some shows with just the 212 and the amp. The harshest environment it's faced was an outdoor music festival in the dead middle of August. 95 degrees in the shade. We went on at 1pm. My rig was in the sun baking since getting there at 11:30am. Lids on the SKB rack, trapping all that hot air inside the black plastic rack. When I opened everything up to start wiring, I was really really worried. Everything plastic inside felt soft from the heat. I wired up, played a 45-minute setlist, and not one single problem. And I haven't had a single problem with my gear. Ever. Sometimes, people get bad gear. Sometimes, it's design flaw. Sometimes, it's shipping abuse. Sometimes, it's previous owner's error. Sometimes, it's the rookie in the store just blasting stuff without a care. But my amp hasn't given me a hiccup. And as long as I don't abuse my gear, I have no doubt it'll live forever. I remember when Catfish came bitching up a storm in the Eden forums. He had a true ordeal with his gear. But there were simple solutions for him, that he chose to ignore because of reasons I'll never understand. He's got a vendetta against Eden now. I've got nothing but praise, excellent tone, and other bassists asking me about my rig and where they can go to buy some Eden products. So take that all for whatever it's worth. Oh, and my second band's EP. The bass recordings are my Ibanez into my WT-550B into my 212XLT. Mic on the cab, DI out from the amp. And my recorded tone is MONSTROUS. The sound engineer loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members been_effected Posted November 19, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I've seriously started considering choosing it and selling the Genz. Dan will be one of the guys who will understand the reason for getting rid of the 1200... Was originally thinking of pairing it with an 410XLT, but have also got my eye on the AE410 from Bergantino. Would love an NV610 but can't justify the size yet, I figure if the band takes off and I need more, I'll get more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I've seriously started considering choosing it and selling the Genz. Dan will be one of the guys who will understand the reason for getting rid of the 1200... Was originally thinking of pairing it with an 410XLT, but have also got my eye on the AE410 from Bergantino. Would love an NV610 but can't justify the size yet, I figure if the band takes off and I need more, I'll get more I would love to hear an Eden+Berg matchup. From having had an Eden, besides what I have now my all-time fave rig was an 800B+Accugroove Whappo Jr. (2x12). I could see the 550+ an NV-series cab being seriously delish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members been_effected Posted November 19, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I would love to hear an Eden+Berg matchup. From having had an Eden, besides what I have now my all-time fave rig was an 800B+Accugroove Whappo Jr. (2x12). I could see the 550+ an NV-series cab being seriously delish! The thing is I feel guilty about offloading the Genz because I haven't really had a chance to play it through any other cab except the Genz 410 I got with it: I don't exactly feel like I've given it a fair trial before moving it on. I had it run through an Ampeg fridge once or twice at some gigs and I remember it being punchy but...there just feels like there's something missing? I think im also getting more convinced that I won't really need any more power than the 500W I'll get out of it at 4ohms, the places we play and will continue to play all run me DI'd to the desk through a decent sized PA. It's not like I need to carry the entire room with my amp (which is what I thought I needed when I first bought the beast.) If I need more oomph, I guess ill just get another cab and run it at 2ohms? Halving the weight would be nice too. RSB, you play heavy rock too don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 The thing is I feel guilty about offloading the Genz because I haven't really had a chance to play it through any other cab except the Genz 410 I got with it: I don't exactly feel like I've given it a fair trial before moving it on. I had it run through an Ampeg fridge once or twice at some gigs and I remember it being punchy but...there just feels like there's something missing? I think im also getting more convinced that I won't really need any more power than the 500W I'll get out of it at 4ohms, the places we play and will continue to play all run me DI'd to the desk through a decent sized PA. It's not like I need to carry the entire room with my amp (which is what I thought I needed when I first bought the beast.) If I need more oomph, I guess ill just get another cab and run it at 2ohms? Halving the weight would be nice too. RSB, you play heavy rock too don't you? I haven't admittedly played the GBE 1200, so I can't really comment, but for rock/heavier stuff the Eden will do just fine. Much like my Aguilar, it's very versatile and excels at a lot of things, as opposed to being "Pretty good across the board". Although that being said, I'm pretty much a SS-convert nowadays. If I ever get anything besides an SS Aggy, it'll most likely be a big boy GK or something. I've just fallen in love with the quick response it gives, plus my Aggy (can't comment on the GK) gives you plenty of booty to where you'll never know you're not running a tube or hybrid amp. Although the new Mesa Carbine I've heard is damn quick, even for being a hybrid. Something to do with how the preamp is driven or the MOSFET's, etc.. I just know it's got a quick attack, which most hybrids usually don't. I play all sorts of stuff, but unfortunately my heavy rock is somewhat limited to my practice room. But I barely have neighbors, so I try to test my stuff at close to gig-levels TBH! I just put in earplugs or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members been_effected Posted November 19, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I haven't admittedly played the GBE 1200, so I can't really comment, but for rock/heavier stuff the Eden will do just fine. Much like my Aguilar, it's very versatile and excels at a lot of things, as opposed to being "Pretty good across the board". Although that being said, I'm pretty much a SS-convert nowadays. If I ever get anything besides an SS Aggy, it'll most likely be a big boy GK or something. I've just fallen in love with the quick response it gives, plus my Aggy (can't comment on the GK) gives you plenty of booty to where you'll never know you're not running a tube or hybrid amp. Although the new Mesa Carbine I've heard is damn quick, even for being a hybrid. Something to do with how the preamp is driven or the MOSFET's, etc.. I just know it's got a quick attack, which most hybrids usually don't. I play all sorts of stuff, but unfortunately my heavy rock is somewhat limited to my practice room. But I barely have neighbors, so I try to test my stuff at close to gig-levels TBH! I just put in earplugs or something. Yeah it sounded like it excelled. I had a standard Warwick Corvette (closest thing to my Streamer that they had in the shop) plugged in and...well...it was just gorgeous through an XLT. Even my singer commented on how he thought it sounded better... ARGH. So if I go ahead then....which cab? NV610 or AE410? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 Yeah it sounded like it excelled. I had a standard Warwick Corvette (closest thing to my Streamer that they had in the shop) plugged in and...well...it was just gorgeous through an XLT. Even my singer commented on how he thought it sounded better... ARGH. So if I go ahead then....which cab? NV610 or AE410? I haven't admittedly heard the AE410/210's, but I know they get lotsa love! But I'm here to tell you, the NV stuff is as good, if not better, than advertised. I expected a "Yeah, this should be pretty good", but I was totally blown away. Granted I have 3 10's and a 15, but the 610 should just be killer. Plus, it's not much bigger and weighs less (or damn close to!) a 410XLT anyway! And helluva lot easier to move. Tilt-back rollers, and high-placed spring-loaded handles make it a one-man job even with stairs. Much easier to schlep than a 410XLT, I'm here to tell you (from having had one!). You will in no way be disappointed with the NV610. Truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members been_effected Posted November 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 Haha you sure you're not a salesman for Bergie gear in disguise RSB? I still definitely want to try one of them anyway. Such a shame too, I missed the boat on an NV610 on ebay over here, couple of months old it went for AU$1290, which is a steal cos they're about $1800 new. Anyone else wanna chime in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members been_effected Posted November 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 Oh, one last thing. Is the 500W enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bryan316 Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 I've done my WT-550B with just my 212XLT cab for a few gigs. Two metal guitarists, keyboards, and a damn powerful drummer. The 500 watts is usually good enough, because I'll dial down the lowest lows a bit to get more midrange and more volume, and let the sound guy give the low end via the DI output in back. So on stage, I want my jeans flapping and my tone biting loud. On the big stages, I add the 210XLT to give me the midrange growl, and bring back the lowest lows with the 212 and get THUNDER at 750 watts. It's less about the extra wattage, and more about the extra speaker cone surface area. But at 500 watts, I'm doing just peachy keen with the stage volume. OF COURSE I prefer it with the extra cab and more rumble, but I also prefer a smooth-sounding stage volume, and not killing everyone else in the band. But, the band admits they love the rumble, heh heh. So I feel no undue obligation or peer-pressure to make em happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 Haha you sure you're not a salesman for Bergie gear in disguise RSB? I still definitely want to try one of them anyway. Such a shame too, I missed the boat on an NV610 on ebay over here, couple of months old it went for AU$1290, which is a steal cos they're about $1800 new. Anyone else wanna chime in? The NV cabinets kick serious ass. I have an NV-610 and I've compared it side by side with a new Ampeg 810e and a mint condition vintage squareback 810. It sounds almost identical to the squareback but with a bit more low end and top end and much better than the new 810. A lot more midrange clarity. The cabinet is tight and punchy with a really nice midrange presence. I use a '76 SVT with mine but I have tried it with a WT-800 and was impressed by how the Eden sounded with it, though I liked the GK 2000RB I tried with it better.... Jim Bergantino is a class act and stands behind his products 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bryan316 Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 Try either an Eden or a Genz 212. It's a totally different sound than typical 10" cabs, and thoroughly addictive. There's mojo in these 12"-driven bass cabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ToeJamFootball Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 Get the Bergantino NV412 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members 82Daion Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 You can't go wrong with either/any of the NV series cabs. My personal preference runs towards the NV215, but the 610 is fantastic as well. The 215 is a little smoother, the 610 is a little punchier, but they both have a really broad, full midrange response with a tight bottom and smooth top. It's a great rock sound, and would make a great pairing with the WT550. DISCLAIMER: Those are not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 You can't go wrong with either/any of the NV series cabs. My personal preference runs towards the NV215, but the 610 is fantastic as well. The 215 is a little smoother, the 610 is a little punchier, but they both have a really broad, full midrange response with a tight bottom and smooth top. It's a great rock sound. Are those your rigs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 Are those your rigs? I wish. I did have a chance to play through various permutations of that setup, though, and they all kicked ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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