Members Thunderbroom Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 We're playing our first gig out of Illinois on 12/14 at Blue Chip Casino in Indiana. We just got an email from the venue informing us of backline gear that they have available. Their bass rig is an Eden WT550 Traveler and an Eden 410XLT cab. I think I'll be leaving my rig at home (though I may take the Neopak as insurance) and give this one a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 Excellent rig. I had the WT550 for a good while and it was a great amp. I had both the 410XLT and a 212XLT at the same time, and usually used the 212, but the 410XLT is a modern standard. You can't make that rig sound bad! Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 I may take the Neopak as insurance Eden sounds great. I love the tone, and I'm sure you will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 Nice rig. Although I tend to prefer Eden heads with other cabs(Bag End, for ex), and GK(or the like) heads with Eden cabs. Oooh, I bet that Neopak would sound sweet as hell with that Eden cab. Have fun rockin' that rig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brake Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 I don't want to be the only dissenter here but I haven't liked any Eden gear I've played through...I could probably attribute that to lack of adequate setup and tweaking time, though. Make sure you have time to fiddle with some EQ knobs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted November 25, 2008 Moderators Share Posted November 25, 2008 I think you'll like the WT-550. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rippin' Robin Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 The Eden cabs kick much ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jugghaid Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 I don't want to be the only dissenter here but I haven't liked any Eden gear I've played through...I could probably attribute that to lack of adequate setup and tweaking time, though. Make sure you have time to fiddle with some EQ knobs! Actually, it's been my experience that with eden gear, the less you fiddle with it, the better sound you will get. I little adjustment can make a big difference. I have seen a ton of people spend a hell of a lot of time trying to dial in a sound when they need to leave most stuff flat or close to it. I went through that when I had the Navigator preamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 That's gonna be sonic sexyness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Actually, it's been my experience that with eden gear, the less you fiddle with it, the better sound you will get. I little adjustment can make a big difference. I have seen a ton of people spend a hell of a lot of time trying to dial in a sound when they need to leave most stuff flat or close to it.I went through that when I had the Navigator preamp. Yep and that's because you can't make subtle EQ adjustments on Eden stuff. The stepped pots they use for their EQs step in 2 or 3dB increments, which is a bit coarse for my liking. I always seem to end up in a "2 clicks is not enough but 3 is too much" situation. In situations where I don't need to EQ anything, I really dig the Eden sound, but in rooms where I feel the need to use EQ I always end up frustrated with it. And it's not like I don't know how to operate a semi-parametric EQ or anything, I've been using large format mixing consoles and outboard parametric EQs for 15 years. I've come to realize that it's the only thing I don't like about Eden amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yup. Flat with Eden is best. Presence off, and I don't even adjust the frequencies. I bump the Bass and Lows one-tick each, cut the Mids one tick, and I'm set. Sounds great just like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Their bass rig is an Eden WT550 Traveler and an Eden 410XLT cab. Should be a nice backline rig. I'm not sure if I've played through XLT cabs before, but I always liked the speakers in my old CXC-210 combo. Warm and punchy bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Should be a nice backline rig. I'm not sure if I've played through XLT cabs before, but I always liked the speakers in my old CXC-210 combo. Warm and punchy bass. The XLT's are sweet in the 212, but I honestly prefer the XST's when it comes to their 10's. IME, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bryan316 Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Even on the driest, most acoustically dead stage, I've only ever turned my 550's bass knob up to 1:00. Nothing more has ever been needed! Set the amp flat as 12:00 for the EQ section. Turn the Enhance knob all the way off. Turn the gain and master off. Leave the Gain and Enhance knobs pushed in. Plug in, and start plucking your deepest note, hard. Turn the gain up until you see it start to blink. Dial it back down until it just barely wants to blink. You'll get the loudest hottest signal this way without fear of clipping. Even though the 550's preamp can clip like crazy and sounds GREAT that way, first get your setup clean. Then bring up the master. When you see the master light blink, you're loud enough. Back it down a bit. Now play. And listen. The midrange bands are very powerful and will affect your tone a LOT. But, you most likely won't want to touch it, since it'll already sound great. Bring up the lows if you need a bit more rumble. The Enhance knob acts as a V-shape for your tone. It'll boost the lows and highs, while cutting the mids. Get you that really deep, smooth sound. Me, I never want to emphasize that, I WANT my blasting growling mids to cut through the stage levels. The mids of Eden let me hear WHAT I'm playing, not just hear that I am playing. Because it's a clear, loud, present sound, it's forced me to become a better player because I could hear all my mistakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cpt. Spliff Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Does anybody have experience with the pocket-sized Eden WTX-260 head ?I'm planning to minimize my gear and so far LMII is at the top of my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funkee1 Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 I don't want to be the only dissenter here but I haven't liked any Eden gear I've played through...I could probably attribute that to lack of adequate setup and tweaking time, though. Make sure you have time to fiddle with some EQ knobs! +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yup. Flat with Eden is best.. What HE said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Does anybody have experience with the pocket-sized Eden WTX-260 head ?I'm planning to minimize my gear and so far LMII is at the top of my list. The biggest issue with the Eden is the lack of headroom that the LMII provides for the same $$. Otherwise, I loved how it sounded; a bit warmer than the LMII, yet tamer mids. Eden was supposed to introduce a higher wattage version of the 260, but it won't be bang for buck, so you have to play one to know if the extra cost is worth the investment and inspires you that much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cpt. Spliff Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 The biggest issue with the Eden is the lack of headroom that the LMII provides for the same $$. Otherwise, I loved how it sounded; a bit warmer than the LMII, yet tamer mids. Eden was supposed to introduce a higher wattage version of the 260, but it won't be bang for buck, so you have to play one to know if the extra cost is worth the investment and inspires you that much more. Thank you a million.I'll definately have to A/B them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walkerci Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 I've never heard Eden heads through Eden cabs. My WT800B sounds awesome through my Avatar B410 Neo and Peavey 215 cab. I'm gassin' for the Berg NV215 and AE410 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L. Ron Hoover Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 What HE said. I'm probably going to catch heat for saying this, but what the hell! While it's great that Eden's amps sound really good flat, there are lots of times where EQing is necessary in order to (partially anyway) make up for bad acoustics. The inability to make subtle changes with the Eden EQ is a real weakness in otherwise great-sounding amps, IMO. I hear people say that Eden's EQ is "powerful" in that little adjustments make big differences. I don't see it that way. For me, an EQ is powerful and useful when you can make subtle tonal changes as well as drastic ones. The Eden EQ lacks the ability to make subtle changes. I think that it would be massively improved by ditching the stepped pots for continuously variable ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 I'm probably going to catch heat for saying this, but what the hell! While it's great that Eden's amps sound really good flat, there are lots of times where EQing is necessary in order to (partially anyway) make up for bad acoustics. The inability to make subtle changes with the Eden EQ is a real weakness in otherwise great-sounding amps, IMO. I hear people say that Eden's EQ is "powerful" in that little adjustments make big differences. I don't see it that way. For me, an EQ is powerful and useful when you can make subtle tonal changes as well as drastic ones. The Eden EQ lacks the ability to make subtle changes. I think that it would be massively improved by ditching the stepped pots for continuously variable ones. You won't catch heat at all, because you're spot on! However I found the best way to EQ any Eden (with the real EQ anyway) is to tick the Bass/Lows/Mids/Highs/Treble controls one or two back or front, and then adjust your actual tones from the frequency/HZ/kHZ settings. That's what worked best for me. Any more than one or two (I tried 3 once- never again!) just really farks it up, especially if you have the Enhance feature on at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J the D Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 GK Head ----> Eden Cabinet When I got to the above I finally got the sound I had been looking for since before most people reading this post were born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted December 1, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 1, 2008 A link to the place we're playing on 12/14: http://delivery2.vrxstudios.com/50345/virtualtours.htm?package=710&id=348846&id_type=2&locale=1&container=1&sizedFrame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gonzobassman Posted December 1, 2008 Members Share Posted December 1, 2008 Probably gonna be a really killer gig for you guys Thunder! Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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