Members anothertxn Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Alrighty, I'm interested to hear your suggestions as for new cabs. I'm redoing my rig after its last, and hopefully final, flameout. So far, here's what I've worked out. American Standard Jazz > Line 6 M13 > Tronographic Rusty Box (running in preamp mode) > Crown CA 9 > Who knows?? At the moment, I'm looking at ordering a bass customized 2x15 and a 4x12 from Emperor Cabinets, but I'd like to hear some other ideas. As for style, well, my old band's myspace has some indications, but I'm really looking for versatility. A basic sense of where I'm at in the process: I need quite a bit of speaker area. I do brutal stuff (noise loops, feedback loops, extreme pitchshifting) to my cabs, and it's become apparent that trying to jam all that into a small number of speakers is a BAD idea. I don't really care too much about portability...I should be able to fit pretty much anything into my Escape with the seats down, and we're already gonna be stuck renting a Uhaul truck when we play live. I don't care about weight. I know how to use a hand truck and how to lift with my legs. I'm more interested in things that are less than obvious. I know about Ampeg 8x10s and Mesa Powerhouses...talk to me about Acme, LDS, and other cab makers that are off the beaten path. Those are the ones I can't really try out, so I'd love to hear what their users have to say about them. $1500 is not set in stone, but it's a pretty good guideline. Thanks a ton for your help, and I hope all is well with ya'll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Never heard of Emperor, but there only a hop skip an' a jump from me. Someone from the Chi-town posse should do some investigating. They appear intriguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted January 7, 2009 Moderators Share Posted January 7, 2009 Have you looked at/considered the Bergantino NV series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nAmzrTakin Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Mesa man, If you've got the cash it's the way to go........well it's the way I'd go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted January 7, 2009 Moderators Share Posted January 7, 2009 LDS Will be able to make you a couple of cabinets at that price. It is a custom order business so your satisfaction will entirely depend on (1) how well you know what you want and (2) how well you communicate it to Don. If I were you and going the LDS route, I'd use a pair of Eminence Kappalite 3015LFs and an 18Sound 6ND410 midrange. It would legitimately take up to and use about 900 watts. As far as ability to withstand your playing, it would kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burnthiscorpse Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 See sig:thu: . brutal cab. for all types of music too. dont make them anymore but you can find them used. They were around $1700 new. I paid $900 used. worth every penny. Thats from a die hard ampeg 8x10 fan. otherwise, get a mesa 2x15. or something that says mesa on it. you will thank yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Detox Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Seems that you'll need cabs that can stand up to some Rig Violence. BTW, I pushed for that name for my new band, but was outvoted. Looks like we're going to be called Grave Town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fingeringam Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Used Berg NV412Used Berg NV610 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Mesa Boogie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 If I were you and going the LDS route, I'd use a pair of Eminence Kappalite 3015LFs and an 18Sound 6ND410 midrange. It would legitimately take up to and use about 900 watts. As far as ability to withstand your playing, it would kill. This would be my suggestion as well. The 3015/LF is a killer driver in the right box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members anothertxn Posted January 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 The midrange he uses maxes out at about 100 watts. You won't get as much out of it as you'll want. If you supplement the high mids with another brand of cabinet and use one of the Acme subs, you'll extend your range lower if that's what you're looking for.Will be able to make you a couple of cabinets at that price. It is a custom order business so your satisfaction will entirely depend on (1) how well you know what you want and (2) how well you communicate it to Don.If I were you and going the LDS route, I'd use a pair of Eminence Kappalite 3015LFs and an 18Sound 6ND410 midrange. It would legitimately take up to and use about 900 watts. As far as ability to withstand your playing, it would kill. Sorta thought that might be the case with Acme, although that's too bad...I like their aesthetic. Interesting stuff with LDS. Seems like it might get pretty pricey to get the amount of speaker area I'd prefer, but that's not a deal breaker. Oh, and I've definitely considered the NV series, I'm just not sure it offers many benefits over the Emperor cabs, but I could be wrong there. It's certainly worth considering, even if that means having to deal with Bass Emporium...ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluedogaudio Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 EBSAguilar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bryan316 Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Get two Eden D410XST 8-ohm cabs, and an Eden WT800C bridged into both cabs. That's a 1200-watt power source into 2000 watts worth of drivers. If you ever blow that rig, you musta used a Mack truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Used Berg NV412Used Berg NV610 You can get both those brand new for hundreds less than what he posted. But I second the Bergs. I'm a believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sorta thought that might be the case with Acme, although that's too bad...I like their aesthetic. Interesting stuff with LDS. Seems like it might get pretty pricey to get the amount of speaker area I'd prefer, but that's not a deal breaker. Oh, and I've definitely considered the NV series, I'm just not sure it offers many benefits over the Emperor cabs, but I could be wrong there. It's certainly worth considering, even if that means having to deal with Bass Emporium...ugh. Go by B.E. and test out any of the Berg NV's if they have them. You don't have to buy there, but at least you can get a shot. I like John and his guys. Why the "ugh"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members anothertxn Posted January 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Go by B.E. and test out any of the Berg NV's if they have them. You don't have to buy there, but at least you can get a shot. I like John and his guys. Why the "ugh"? Yeah, I'll swing by there in the next couple of days. The "ugh" has more to do with my preferences than anything about the store. I don't like being crammed in a place with people looking over my shoulder all the time. The problem with testing things out at the store is that I can't really try out all the crazy {censored} I do. I can get a sense of the general tone, but that definitely doesn't translate to what it'll perform like when I get to the practice space. Still, everyone seems to be high on the NV series, so I'll have to give em a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 If I had that kind of budget to work with on a cab alone, I sure as hell wouldn't mind driving a few hours to give a chance to be best cabs on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JeffBass Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 The Aguilar 4x12 is a killer cab. Chris Chaney uses two of them onstage so you know they are built to rock!. The Mesa Powerhouse really kills in my buddy's rig and he plays in a Black Sabbath band with lots of volume. The Bergie NV's look killer and the reviews are all great. From the sound you've described they should all fit the bill. I like the design of the Powerhouse with it's 15" speaker surrounded by four 10's, extra bracing and heavy steel grill. It oozes in-your-face destruction! Dr. Bass now has a powerful new 4x12 cab also but I haven't heard any reviews. If you want a stack instead of a standalone cab, I consider some of the new Dr. Bass cabs with a "slanted" can on top of the new 115LF (15" low freq cab). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluedogaudio Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 But I second the Bergs. I'm a believer. I've never tried them, what can you tell me about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluedogaudio Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 The Aguilar 4x12 is a killer cab. A friend of mine has one and it's an amazing cabinet. This thing peels the paint off the walls. He plays everything from jazz to metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted January 7, 2009 Moderators Share Posted January 7, 2009 Oh, and I've definitely considered the NV series, I'm just not sure it offers many benefits over the Emperor cabs, but I could be wrong there. It's certainly worth considering, even if that means having to deal with Bass Emporium...ugh. There are very few bass cabinet designers that KNOW what they are doing. Jim Bergantino is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members anothertxn Posted January 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 There are very few bass cabinet designers that KNOW what they are doing. Jim Bergantino is one of them. Folks seem quite adamant to that fact. What would you consider to be the primary difference between say a NV610 and a HT322? Jim's webpage doesn't really give much detail about the distinctions between the various series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Folks seem quite adamant to that fact. What would you consider to be the primary difference between say a NV610 and a HT322? Jim's webpage doesn't really give much detail about the distinctions between the various series... Well one cab utilizes 6 10" drivers in a sealed design, and the other, a 12", a midrange driver and a HF driver in a ported design. They'll have quite different voices. If they're like the Berg cabs I've played, they'll have a nicely detailed(if not somewhat forward) midrange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 Folks seem quite adamant to that fact. What would you consider to be the primary difference between say a NV610 and a HT322? Jim's webpage doesn't really give much detail about the distinctions between the various series... The "NV" refers to "New Vintage", and it definitely does that. It's sealed like the old, (allegedly... ) good 810 fridges, no tweeter, and just gives you a big meaty tone without the top end twink, but you can always dial that in via the Treble on your amp. I've grown accustomed to tweeterless cabs from when I got my first Accu and have been hooked since. They're not ported, so (allegedly, again) they won't go ultra low, but I can absolutely crank the Bass controls on my MTD AND amp, and it gives booty a-plenty! I have the discontinued NV425 which is half 610 and half 215. I was going to hold out for the NV412, but at that point it was just a rumor and I got a great deal on mine. But with the 10's and 15's together, it gives you enough punch and top end while providing a huge pillow on the bottom. Very strong and focused. I really can't recommend them enough. Down the road I'll probably end up buying an NV412 and maybe 215 or 610 just in case something ever happens to mine! And honestly ANY amp sounds great through it. It's pretty much all the awesome descriptive adjectives you give to your fave cab, except this one actually delivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members James Hart Posted January 7, 2009 Members Share Posted January 7, 2009 If it was me needing that much speaker I'd be getting one each of these. http://www.bagend.com/bagend/q10bx-d2.htm http://www.bagend.com/bagend/s18b-d2.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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