Members sub5ound Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 Holy Young Jeezy, your fkin guitar is awesome, I understand that attenuators ruin your tone, BUT YOUR VOLUME IS FKIN KILLING ME A--HOLE! DO YOU SEE THESE?!?! THESE ARE EARPLUGS! I MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THEM UP MY ASS,BECAUSE AT THE VOLUME YOU NEED TO ACHIEVE YOUR HOLY GRAIL OF TONE, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HEAR ON MY RIDE HOME FROM PRACTICE!!!! whew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ToeJamFootball Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 What's your guitarist's email? I think he needs to read this more than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sub5ound Posted February 9, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 heh heh heh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fingeringam Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 *Turns down amp from 10 to 7(still completely overdriven and ear piercing btw) 15 seconds later "Dude it doesnt sound right" "It's fine, lets go!" "Na, what did you turn my treble up?" "Nope" "Dude you turned me down!!!1" Every fackin time we play its this same scenario! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sub5ound Posted February 9, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 It's like guitard PMS. One week, he is agreeing with me about working in more dynamic to our sound, the next it's balls out tone molestation...and I'm the witness. I have a little box I use called a SANSAMP BDDI that simulates rather effectively what I WANT my bass tone to be. They have a little green box called a TUBESCREAMER that does the same damn thing!!!! Use it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members s4001 Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 My guitarist somehow gets great tone at quite reasonable levels. Maybe I should have him call your g*tarist. ... I should also maybe steal one of his hairs and preserve his DNA just in case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 I understand that attenuators ruin your tone This is a myth that you need to dispel quickly. Just take my approach. Stop playing, look at him, and tell him to "{censored}ing turn down.", and stand there holding your bass, looking at him until he either does it, or storms off like a pissy bitch. Tell him you're not interested in his side of the story, that he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, everything he thinks and says regarding the topic is incorrect, and that you can't even tell what he's playing it's so {censored}ing loud. If he complies, and even *touches* his controls again, stop playing and stare at him some more. It might get you in a fight, but at least you'll have a good reason to punch him in the face at that point. C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanzant38 Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 This is a myth that you need to dispel quickly. Just take my approach. Stop playing, look at him, and tell him to "{censored}ing turn down.", and stand there holding your bass, looking at him until he either does it, or storms off like a pissy bitch. Tell him you're not interested in his side of the story, that he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, everything he thinks and says regarding the topic is incorrect, and that you can't even tell what he's playing it's so {censored}ing loud. If he complies, and even *touches* his controls again, stop playing and stare at him some more. It might get you in a fight, but at least you'll have a good reason to punch him in the face at that point. C7 That is pretty much what Victoria Stilwell tells the spoiled dog owners on Me or the Dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members collinwho Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 It's like guitard PMS. One week, he is agreeing with me about working in more dynamic to our sound, the next it's balls out tone molestation...and I'm the witness. I have a little box I use called a SANSAMP BDDI that simulates rather effectively what I WANT my bass tone to be. They have a little green box called a TUBESCREAMER that does the same damn thing!!!! Use it! The Tubescreamer doesn't do the same thing as a Sansamp. OTOH, there is no need to play that loud. You can get the sound of a cranked tube amp by using a 5 watt amp and turning it up. It sounds the same, but not nearly as loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hi.flyer Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 If he really must crank his {censored}, he should use a smaller amp. Silly, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gonzobassman Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 You can also get excellent tone out of a 100 watt tube amp at a lo volume. Unless it is an antique they all have a gain,and a master!!! I really don't care for guitards,but I really enjoy working with guitarists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yanikins Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 My guitarist somehow gets great tone at quite reasonable levels. Maybe I should have him call your g*tarist. ... I should also maybe steal one of his hairs and preserve his DNA just in case.... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poltergeist Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 i always thought that low-wattage amps always sound better for that breakup sound, because you can turn the gain all the way up and still not murder people. Laney 50GH for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 Even 50 watts in a rehearsal space is a lot. As a part-time guitard, I understand the joys of that glorious ripping sound, but I also understand that any amp with more than 20 watts is too effin loud 90% of the time to get that sound. But I also need a high volume clean tone, which is where the real problem comes in. 2 amps could do it, but why haul em both? So I compromise, use a OD/DIST box for my Grrrr sound and suck it up. Sound slike your GP needs to grow up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members georgestrings Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 Yeah, I have in the past - my last guitarist and I had this problem, amongst others... He totally BLEW a really nice gig for us - and everyone else - by cranking a 5150 half stack SO loud that our pounder of a hard rock/metal drummer seemed like someone hit the "mute" button on him: no exageration - I was standing right next to his kit, and could *see* him hitting his drums, but could not hear him... Sad thing is, we were so loud overall because of this, the venue lost their ability to have outdoor music - so, what *was* a sweet 6-9pm happy hour gig outdoors on a friday night for $500, was all done after downtown authorities shut it down:mad::mad: We were booked for another 2 spots, too - the capper was when he told me THREE different stories about how it happened... I always had a problem with him and volume - so when he got the 5150, I helped him get it dialed in tone-wise, then we set his volume at a rehearsal, and marked his settings with a sharpie... I checked his settings before we went on, and they were where they were supposed to be - he waited 'til I wasn't looking, and cranked up... The 1st story was, he "didn't turn it up, and was at the same volume as the previous week - problem with that was, the week before we did an opening spot at the same place, and slayed SO much that we were booked as a headliner the next week - with ZERO volume issues or complaints... The next story was that he *might* have "accidently" bumped the volume when he adjusted his treble - funny thing, his volume NEVER got bumped down during these occurrances... The 3rd story was just more bull{censored} - and to top it off, he was {censored}ing up songs by screwing around with smokes WHILE WE WERE PLAYING - and told me that "if I can smoke at a venue, I'm gonna smoke"... I told the drummer and singer that one of us was leaving, and they could have their pick with no hard feelings - but I was done working with someone pulling that kind of jackass maneuvers... They actually did entertain the idea of trying out another bassist - as the "trouble child" is an extremely talented guitarist - but couldn't find anyone able to handle the bass duties in that band - so, he went down the road... That didn't hurt my feelings - I already had an offer on the table by another working band with good gigs lined up - so if they decided to keep "Mr Volume", it was no big deal to me... His replacement is also talented, and can really sing - besides being FAR easier to work with... I actually have to ask this guy to turn up at times... The outgoing guitarist and I were close friends at the time, and for awhile that friendship took a hit - he landed in another band where the singer is the bandleader, and doesn't take any crap - and he's HAD to get his volume under control, although I still hear rumblings that he's still a bit too loud some of the time... The guy really is a great player - and his new band is doing really well... After some time passed, our friendship got patched up, and we're actually pretty tight once again - and he's learned ALOT more about how working bands actually operate... When we were playing together, it was obvious that was his 1st real gigging band - he's now alot more seasoned... At any rate - yeah, I totally wanted to punch him in the face that day - instead, I effectively fired him... If you don't get a grip on your current situation, your band won't go anywhere - and it won't get better on it's own... Flat out - bar owners and sound guys won't tolerate that crap... Good luck, - georgestrings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 I think they are going deaf and need the volume....which means they are going even more deaf and need more volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jateca Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 I think they are going deaf and need the volume....which means they are going even more deaf and need more volume. +1 It took 6 months of nagging until me and our drummer convinced the guitarist and singer to rehearse with ear plugs; now they won't stop talking about how great their ears feel after practicing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 Guitarists are {censored}ing retards when it comes to "their tone". From douchbags who refuse to give up their dimed 100 watt tube heads to {censored}tards who think that no multiFX unit can effectively duplicate the awesome sound they get with their pile of pedals. It'd be {censored}ing nice if they would realize that a POD XT Live gets close enough for everything and sounds better in situations where a variety of tones is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted February 9, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 9, 2009 I can't stand guitarists who noodle between songs and also when you're trying to work stuff out. Then you add to that a drummer who goes right along with the noodling. As for the OP, along with MHD's champ pic, this solves the volume issue..........Sounds great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members In Absentia Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 I've been blessed with a great guitarist that understands his hearing is important. He has a Marshall DSL 50 through a 4x12 w/ GT1275s. Every gig I've played with him, he goes through the PA. If the PA is off, you can talk over his amp. Modern amps don't have to be loud to get a great sound (*though, that is still pretty cool sometimes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BottomHeavyKate Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 Blackstar HT 5 ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SYRINGEBASS Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 I've been blessed with a great guitarist that understands his hearing is important. He has a Marshall DSL 50 through a 4x12 w/ GT1275s. Every gig I've played with him, he goes through the PA. If the PA is off, you can talk over his amp. Modern amps don't have to be loud to get a great sound (*though, that is still pretty cool sometimes). I'm also blessed to have guitarist with a great understanding. Both of my guitarist are tone freaks. Both use 4X12 Marshall Cabs, one has an Engl Savage 120 the other a Soldano SLO 100 (?, i think that's right, i know it's 100w Soldano at least). Thank God they don't try and dime out thier amps, they'd probably kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 9, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hey Sub5ound, where are you in the Hudson Valley region? I lived in Washingtonville from '86 to '97, right down the road apiece from the OCC a'holes when they were in Rock Tavern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bryan316 Posted February 9, 2009 Members Share Posted February 9, 2009 The answer is quite simple. 16 ohms cab with the amp set at 8 ohms, or a single speaker cab with far less surface area. You run the amp nice and hot, getting those tubes pumpin to get that tone, but the output is less and your ears survive. Believe me, I absolutely understand AND subscribe to the "Full-blown Marshalls sound untouchable" theory. I did a show down in Houston. 18 bands in two days. Awesome stuff. One particular band, Six Minute Century, had a guitarist bringing these ancient, ugly, beaten, abused POS lookin Marshalls. Both pre-1975 is my best guess. I was thinking oh great, it's gonna suck and buzz and make me go to the bathroom for a loooong time. I WAS DEAD WRONG. BEST TONE OF THE WEEKEND. These guys were tearing it up, and his guitar tone was thick, crunching, articulate, detailed, and SCREAMING awesome. And to top it all off, these bastards played Dream Theater's Under A Glass Moon, and he DECIMATED that solo! A solo, mind you, that I consider to be Petrucci's finest! He tore it upside down and left to right! What a treat, I tell you. Yes, amps cranked sound awesome. No, they don't need to be 187 dB to achieve it. Get the right cabinet for the right job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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