Members atkinsr Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 I have settled on one of these two beasts. Has anybody had a chance to play through both of these cabs side-by-side and care to give me some objective feedback/description of the tone/sound qualities of both? Yes, I know I should do this myself, but it's not an option. No place within 200 miles of me has both of these cabinets in stock. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dDigitalPimp Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 there was a big time basson debate a while back. the end result was one of the basson comany guys coming on here and talking a bunch out of his ass and more or less making a fool of himself and his company. they also lie about minimum power requirements for their super heavy, mega magnet cabs. iirc the cabs are also made out of some type of particle board, not solid wood. i dont care how good the basson cab sounded there is no way id play one based on reading what that rep from basson had to say on this board alone. if my two choices were the swr or the basson id get the swr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 if my two choices were the swr or the basson id get the swr. What he said. Are you considering new cabs? If so, and you can wait a few weeks, consider a custom from Low Down Sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 78pbass Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 I would look at LDS based on everyone's experience with Don (their owner) or the Goliath. I would never play a Basson for reasons stated above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 Which one sounded more inspiring to YOU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atkinsr Posted December 2, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 Which one sounded more inspiring to YOU? Playing through them to demo isn't an option where I'm at (I see horses and cows out my window). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atkinsr Posted December 2, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 What he said.Are you considering new cabs? If so, and you can wait a few weeks, consider a custom from Low Down Sound. *sigh* This always comes up.. narrow it down to two, basically 1, and then somebody throws out something else worthy that I haven't heard. lol I'll look into it, but without ever hearing one, they don't stand much of a chance. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 "Playing through them to demo isn't an option where I'm at (I see horses and cows out my window)." Then how did you "settle in" on these two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atkinsr Posted December 2, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 "Playing through them to demo isn't an option where I'm at (I see horses and cows out my window)." Then how did you "settle in" on these two? Lots of reviews and listening to recordings of bands that use them,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T. Alan Smith Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 I see horses and cattle from my window as well. I gladly travel almost 2 hrs to check out gear. I bring a musician buddy, we stop and a different restaurant, hit a CD shop, listen and talk shop all day and have a great time. I say- find some shops to road trip to. Bring your bass. DON'T look at names 'til after you've found what inspires you. THEN look at names and from there we can help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 I'll look into it, but without ever hearing one, they don't stand much of a chance. Well, you haven't heard the SWR firsthand either. As for Don at LDS, he will build a custom cab. You let him know what gear you're playing, what tone you're after, what features you want in a cab, etc., and he will almost certainly have a recommendation for you, and I have no doubt you'd be happy with the result. Don's build quality is quite good IMO. Most 410 cabs are "square", but I'm sure Don could also offset the speakers a bit to make it taller. Kinda like Bergantino does with this 610. I only mention that because it would likely make it easier to hear yourself on stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FloydianAnimal Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 ^ that Berg, or Mesa might be great cabs also. I would take the SWR over the Basson anyday though. I do not recommend Basson at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rpsands Posted December 2, 2009 Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 You would need to pay me a pretty significant amount of money to rock a basson MDF box stuffed with overweight speakers Regarding LDS: Don uses superior speakers to almost every manufacturer, uses the same (or superior) design principles, and is a pretty sharp dude. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another cabinet from him. That said, the 4x10 is a pretty poor design for a cabinet period. People use them, but they don't really know why Putting driver side by side is a poor design and most 4x10s are underbraced for so many drivers as well. If I were going to buy a cabinet from a store, my short list would be: Genz Benz Neox212T GK Neo series 2 1x12 (x2) stack Mesa PH112 (x2) stack Bergantino NV215 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atkinsr Posted December 2, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 2, 2009 Thanks everybody for all of your suggestions. It does seem as though a road trip is going to be in my future as this keeps getting more and more muddled. I should probably start a new thread for this. Let me start off by saying I'm pretty new to all of this. been playing bass for about a year (guitar for a few years before, sax for over 20 years)... so I may be off base (bass? haha), but here's my thinking: I have a p-bass special. I'll be buying a 5 string next year. I want something that goes LOW. Not harmonics, but the actual note. I also want the cleanest sound I can get.. you can process a signal and get almost any sound you want, but there's only one way to get clean, and that's to start that way. I don't care if I have to buy some insanely powerful amp if that's what it takes to power *the right cabinet*. I also need some flexibility, in the next few years, I'll be playing everything from corner bars to music festivals where a backline and/or mic'ing to the PA/line array may or may *not* be available. I've thrown around the idea of stacking 2x10s and maybe going with something like a swr big-ben for the bigger gigs. I don't know. This will also most likely be what I practice with (in a huge open area - 18x30 living room/dining room combo area with a 23' cathedral ceiling), as the fender bassman 100 with 15" speaker turns to mush with the volume at anything above 3... there will be no love lost when I sell this thing. To summarize:Clean. clean, clean, clean, and flexible. those are the priorities. I'm a firm believer in the "buy once, cry once" theory. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members georgestrings Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 I have a p-bass special. I'll be buying a 5 string next year. I want something that goes LOW. Not harmonics, but the actual note. I also want the cleanest sound I can get.. you can process a signal and get almost any sound you want, but there's only one way to get clean, and that's to start that way. You might want to consider Ampeg's SVT-410HLF - it is one of the deepest, lowest sounding cabs on the market... SWR's Goliath is a very good cab, as is Mesa's PH410... Other great 410s are made by Genz-Benz, Begantino, Eden, and Aguilar - amonst others... I like a ton of low end, yet good clarity - and the two cabs I use the most are Mesa's PH 610 and an SVT-410HLF... Basson cabs are crap, plain and simple - you get the "privilage" of moving a cab that literally weighs twice what it should, and needing a ton of watts to get any kind of volume out of it - an incredibly stupid approach to bass amplification, IMO... - georgestrings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 If you understand and mean what you say, the Acme Low B2 is what you want: http://www.acmebass.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 78pbass Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 If you understand and mean what you say, the Acme Low B2 is what you want: http://www.acmebass.com/ that's what I heard too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JeffBass Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 Carvin's BRX10.4 (410) is a great cab at a great price. Plays deep, clear and smooth. On sale at Carvin.com for a song. Light too. http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=BRX10.4NEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoundandBlocked Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 If you understand and mean what you say, the Acme Low B2 is what you want: Has anyone A/B'd the SVT-410HLF and a B2? I've always been interested in the B2, but I had an SVT-410HLF that I sold due to lack of clarity (and weight and lack of usefulness). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Apendecto Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 ^ that Berg, or Mesa might be great cabs also. I would take the SWR over the Basson anyday though. I do not recommend Basson at all... For sure. I've got SWR's 18, 4x10, 8x8 and 4x12 and the 4x10's sounds the {censored}tiest. SWR's cabs have worked great for me, but your mileage may vary. Yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Apendecto Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 Carvin's BRX10.4 (410) is a great cab at a great price. Plays deep, clear and smooth. On sale at Carvin.com for a song. Light too.http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=BRX10.4NEO I've said it before and I'll say it again: You work for Carvin, right? Yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atkinsr Posted December 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 For sure. I've got SWR's 18, 4x10, 8x8 and 4x12 and the 4x10's sounds the {censored}tiest. SWR's cabs have worked great for me, but your mileage may vary.Yo. Which line are you talking about? I don't care for the workingman (or whatever it's called) series at all. The Goliaths had a pretty decent sound, at least compared to a few low-end cabs sitting in the same room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 SWR in a heart beat. Basson is about as big a laughing stock as you can get within bass-dom. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 SWR for sure. I do not like 410 designs either as others have stated also, but SWR does have a somewhat "alive" feel to their cabs. Pretty smooth also. Not even gonna mention any 12" boxes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted December 3, 2009 Members Share Posted December 3, 2009 That said, the 4x10 is a pretty poor design for a cabinet period. People use them, but they don't really know why P utting driver side by side is a poor design and most 4x10s are underbraced for so many drivers as well. I've been interested as to why it seems more and more designers are making their cabs non side by side or more off axis (if that's the right term) like this? My Boogie 412 is, their 212 is, the NV line are (save the NV215), as well as a lot of other 212 designs out there. I still am figuring out the dispersion and throw from my Boogie. Apparently I was killing it on stage, but at my spot directly in front of the cab I wasn't hearing or feeling why they were saying that. I walked 3-5 ft to the L and R of the cab, and THERE was the projection! Now I know why my singer always complains I'm too loud live! Since I've tried to angle it better to where I'm getting hit with the sound more and not being directly in front of it. I'm sure that made sense to the designers of newer cabs, but I'm just figuring it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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