Members Stackabones Posted May 13, 2011 Members Share Posted May 13, 2011 I'm a regular over in the Acoustic Guitar area, and I could use some help. I just got an Epiphone EB-0 and don't have an amp. I do have some guitar amps (Fender Super Champ XD, old Peavy Bandit, etc) and a Fishman SoloAmp, but I'm not sure about those for bass. I'm guessing I'd blow out the speakers. I do have a Behringer Eurolive B212A Powered Speaker. I've plugged it and it seems to work ok, but I don't want to do any damage to it. What say you, yea or nay? Any further recommendations would be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Grumpy Posted May 13, 2011 Members Share Posted May 13, 2011 I don't think you can hurt that unless you really, really try. I would get a SansAmp Bass DI box, or the Behringer copy of it (BDI-21) and put that between your bass guitar and the powered speaker. Both boxes work as "bass amp simulators" and give some nice tone shaping to your signal. Lots of bass players uses these boxes to run straight into a PA system, that's what you're doing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted May 13, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 13, 2011 Fantastic! I'll check into the SansAmp & Behringer, too. Thanks so much, Mr. Grumpy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members perrydabassman Posted May 14, 2011 Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 As an afterthought, if you are going to stay playing the bass, I would be looking to better deal that Behringer ASAP. Their QA/QC has always been an issue. I wouldn't trust it night after night if you are doing any kind of gig work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MusicalSchizo Posted May 14, 2011 Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 Though I agree with what Perry said and that having something better or more durable might be a good choice if you start gigging regularly, I use one ALL THE TIME at shows, for more than three years now, and with the exception of when a nine-year-old boy accidentally kicked it over while it was plugged in and broke my XLR jack (which cost quite a bit to fix), it's worked great. Just my experience, YMMV. The previous recommendation of putting a SansAmp or some other kind of tone shaper between it and the B212A is a good idea. I use a POD X3 Live. If you had a bass with active electronics I'd say you don't need the preamp/DI, necessarily, but with an EB-0, you should get something. Behringer's BDI is surprisingly good-sounding, and it's wicked cheap if you're just deciding if this is something you want to pursue (playing bass). Brian V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted May 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 Thanks for the replies, Perry & Brian. I'll stick my powered speaker for now (heck, it's here and paid for) and look into one of the BDIs in the near future. Short-term use is bedroom and recording -- then maybe some casual jams. I'm primarily a guitarist and I've got to learn a bit more about how bassists approach the instrument and play in a band. btw, I played the Epi into the powered speaker and I got a sound. How good or bad? Good enough for now, but I'd like better down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted May 14, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 14, 2011 Short term use is bedroom/recording/some jams, the B212A will be fine. A bass specific processor prior to the B212A is a good idea. Now from a gigging situation it would be time to move up to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members perrydabassman Posted May 14, 2011 Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 Thanks for the replies, Perry & Brian. I'll stick my powered speaker for now (heck, it's here and paid for) and look into one of the BDIs in the near future. Short-term use is bedroom and recording -- then maybe some casual jams. I'm primarily a guitarist and I've got to learn a bit more about how bassists approach the instrument and play in a band. btw, I played the Epi into the powered speaker and I got a sound. How good or bad? Good enough for now, but I'd like better down the road. FWIW, if you fing yourself in a gigging situation, you can always just use the powered speaker as a monitor, and run direct into the PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted May 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 Thanks for the tip, Perry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tabdog Posted May 14, 2011 Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 I agree. The powered speaker has speaker protection, plus the amp and speaker are matched. It should not blow the speaker. Reliability, it should be OK. It's intended for road work. With any setup, I would like to have a backup though, especially with an untested rig. I have used two of those SansAmps. Lots of folks disagree with me, but I like the Hartkee Bass Attack better. It's only about $80. To me, it sounds better and is easier to get a good sound. I use one with one of those wonderful sounding 700 watt Crown PA amps and a kick but 410 Genz Benz cab, The amp was pretty cheep on eBay,,, It has a wonderful, powerful and clear sound. The speakers are the only expensive part of my rig. I have a Peavey Basic 40 in my practice room. I use a Digitec BP8 tub preamp i got off eBay for $25 plus $10 shipping. You would be surprised how good it sounds. In my bedroom, I use a Marshal ValveState guitar practice amp. I closed off the back and it sounds like crap. But, it will do OK at low volume and not wake everybody up, I'm Bass amp poor, but I make up for it, Tabdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted May 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 Thanks, tabdog, for showing me your different rigs. It'll give me future ideas for various situations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members perrydabassman Posted May 14, 2011 Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 Thanks, tabdog, for showing me your different rigs. It'll give me future ideas for various situations! dude, if you want the future check this out... the micro-rig of doom. Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 (600wX4ohms) two Phil Jones Bass 4b cabinets It made me sell my ampeg 810...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted May 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2011 I've read about Phil Jones. Lightweight and powerful, right? Micro-rig of doom, hellz yeah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tabdog Posted May 15, 2011 Members Share Posted May 15, 2011 dude, if you want the future check this out... the micro-rig of doom. Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 (600wX4ohms) two Phil Jones Bass 4b cabinets It made me sell my ampeg 810...... This is definitely a new wave for the serious player. Thanks for sharing, Tabdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rpsands Posted May 15, 2011 Members Share Posted May 15, 2011 PJB stuff is awesome. Look ridiculous...check. Cost twice as much as equivalent performance from a cabinet design that isn't retarded...check. Still weigh a damn ton relative to their performance...check. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members perrydabassman Posted May 15, 2011 Members Share Posted May 15, 2011 I've read about Phil Jones. Lightweight and powerful, right? Micro-rig of doom, hellz yeah!!! My last gig was a 450 seat club, and I didn't go thru the PA system...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members perrydabassman Posted May 15, 2011 Members Share Posted May 15, 2011 PJB stuff is awesome. Look ridiculous...check. Cost twice as much as equivalent performance from a cabinet design that isn't retarded...check. Still weigh a damn ton relative to their performance...check. Awesome. The 4b's cost about $500.00 apiece, they outperform any 410 I have heard, also outperformed my Genz Benz Neo 212XT's and they weigh about 40lbs each...... Don't hate me because I am beautiful...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted May 15, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 15, 2011 PJB stuff is awesome.Look ridiculous...check.Cost twice as much as equivalent performance from a cabinet design that isn't retarded...check.Still weigh a damn ton relative to their performance...check.Awesome.Pics of your rig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members engage757 Posted May 15, 2011 Members Share Posted May 15, 2011 Behringer does not belong on any stage anywhere. So yes! As long as only you have to hear it! but even then, you can find better. check out older peavey combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted May 15, 2011 Author Members Share Posted May 15, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted May 15, 2011 Moderators Share Posted May 15, 2011 Behringer does not belong on any stage anywhere. So yes! As long as only you have to hear it! but even then, you can find better. check out older peavey combos. I'm surprised you didn't suggest a Sonic Maximizer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members engage757 Posted May 15, 2011 Members Share Posted May 15, 2011 I'm surprised you didn't suggest a Sonic Maximizer! hey man, I like my great tone time aligned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stingray5 Posted May 18, 2011 Members Share Posted May 18, 2011 The band I was in used 5 behringer B212a for monitor duty for 3yrs all 5 are still working fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MusicalSchizo Posted May 19, 2011 Members Share Posted May 19, 2011 Behringer does not belong on any stage anywhere. So yes! As long as only you have to hear it! but even then, you can find better. check out older peavey combos. Not sure of the origins of your broad-stroke dismissal of Behringer, but the tone of my POD->Behringer rig KILLS every old Peavey combo I've ever heard...and I'm confident you'd agree if you got a chance to hear it - though that probably only would be the case if you didn't know in advance it was a POD into a B212A. It's a fact that most audio opinion (both positive and negative) is affected by mood or equipment prejudice rather than actual listening. EVERYONE is subject to these prejudices. I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything...just stating confidently and in contrast to what you've said that he can get great sounds with that speaker if he puts some sort of modeler or preamp into it. I simply disagree with what you've said. Brian V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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