Members JacieFB Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 The thread about letting other people up on stage to play a song made me think of this... What do you think? Any horror stories? I've got some pretty good gear and I typically don't mind lending it. I do get frustrated when a band sees it and sees that it's better than their stuff and just wants to borrow it out of convenience. I've sort of developed a "friends and trusted aquaintances only" policy with letting others borrow gear. Although the flip side is you can build some instant cool with other bands if they are in a pinch and you can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hammer744 Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 Another band being in a pinch and helping would be a lot easier to say yes to than just someone wanting to 'borrow' your gear for the sake of 'trying' it out, or sheer curiosity. I've done open-jams and it's just kind of expected that if you're one of the main guys, and someone wants to come up and jam, the equipment is there to be used by all. None of my equipment is big budget stuff other than the Ashdown, so it's not that big a deal for me. I can see the guy with the Les Paul Custom Deluxe and signature series Marshall being a little more concerned than me, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brassic Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 I was pretty easygoing about this up until a week or so ago. Check out this thread if you want the story. No one borrows my stuff from now on, unless they're a personal friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lee Flier Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 I've let people use amps of mine before if I know them. Sometimes if there are a bunch of bands on a bill it makes more sense to share backline. But if I don't know the band, I'd rather not. Only my best friends are allowed to play any of my guitars though, and NO ONE but me plays my 52 Les Paul! Our drummer used to let other drummers use his kit years ago, but he had too many bad experiences so even with his cheap kit he quit letting people use it. Now he had a brand new high $$ Ludwig kit and doesn't let anybody else touch it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JacieFB Posted September 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 Originally posted by brassic I was pretty easygoing about this up until a week or so ago. Check out this thread if you want the story. No one borrows my stuff from now on, unless they're a personal friend. Oh-yeah...I read that a couple of days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hamer Player Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 Originally posted by JacieFB The thread about letting other people up on stage to play a song made me think of this...What do you think? Any horror stories?I've got some pretty good gear and I typically don't mind lending it. I do get frustrated when a band sees it and sees that it's better than their stuff and just wants to borrow it out of convenience. I've sort of developed a "friends and trusted aquaintances only" policy with letting others borrow gear. Although the flip side is you can build some instant cool with other bands if they are in a pinch and you can help. I don't let anyone use my gear in public. Friends in the basement messing around, that's a different situation. Drunken fools out at a gig, don't touch my stuff. I don't lend my gear to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stash Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 Friends at a (private) jam session, like in a basement or at band rehearsal? Sure, use it all you want. Hey, guitar player, want to try my bass? No problem. I'll go get another beer if you want to wank on it for a while. Hey, can I grab your guitar to show you a song we should try? I expect that to be cool if we're jamming regularly or especially if we're in the same band. But a total stranger, especially in public? No way. Use my amp as part of a shared backline when sharing a gig with another band? If you and your band look and act civilized, probably. If I know you, even just from gigging around town and hearing your band's name alot? Absolutely. Good karma and all that. I once had a band opening for us and the bass player wanted to use my amp and my bass. I can't remember why he needed both now, but his whole band was begging me to let him use both. I had never met any of these guys before. Call me a jerk if you will, but their band didn't play that night. My band members were totally supportive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Next to Nothing Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 Originally posted by Stash Friends at a (private) jam session, like in a basement or at band rehearsal? Sure, use it all you want. Hey, guitar player, want to try my bass? No problem. I'll go get another beer if you want to wank on it for a while. Hey, can I grab your guitar to show you a song we should try? I expect that to be cool if we're jamming regularly or especially if we're in the same band.But a total stranger, especially in public? No way.Use my amp as part of a shared backline when sharing a gig with another band? If you and your band look and act civilized, probably. If I know you, even just from gigging around town and hearing your band's name alot? Absolutely. Good karma and all that.I once had a band opening for us and the bass player wanted to use my amp and my bass. I can't remember why he needed both now, but his whole band was begging me to let him use both. I had never met any of these guys before.Call me a jerk if you will, but their band didn't play that night. My band members were totally supportive. nod nod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAtomicJeff Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xonetruedesirex Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 We've shared cabinets, drum stuff, occasionally heads...but only with bands that we know and trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lee Flier Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 On the other hand... it's usually no problem at all if I go up to a guy in a band and tell him I'd like to "borrow his equipment." I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted September 23, 2005 Moderators Share Posted September 23, 2005 Originally posted by Lee Flier On the other hand... it's usually no problem at all if I go up to a guy in a band and tell him I'd like to "borrow his equipment." I wonder why? REPORTED!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bruther_Bill72 Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 On rare occasions when I know the person, I'll let them use my amp -- for instance when our fill in guitarist is covering for me because I'm stuck at work. When I get my Bad Cat, that practice may change. I'm not really comfortable with other folks playing my main guitar (American Deluxe Tele). The instrument itself is replaceable, but this one has sentimental value to me. On the other hand, I don't really like using other people's stuff either. Sure, I love to plug into different amps from time to time, but when I'm gigging I want my own gear. I know every nuance of my amp and guitar together. This leads me to believe that the drunk guy asking to play my guitar in between sets is a hack and therefore I keep them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scheming Demon Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 I used to be pretty open with allowing other drummers the use of my kit at a shared gig. Now it is only other drummers I personally know. Most of the drummers I know prefer to use their own kit anyway, I certainly do. Playing in a Rush Tribute you can imagine I have a very large extravagant kit worth big bucks. Because our stage set up is so complex we very rarely play with other bands. With my original band and on a few occasions with the Rush band I had to let other drummers use my kit in order for the gig to go smoothely. You can't have an hour and a half downtime between bands. I absolutely detest the cluster{censored} of equipment when multiple bands are playing a venue and the place looks like a Sam Ash showroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzball Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 I will not lend gear for gigs anymore. Just recently I was asked by a friend if he could borrow some of my drum equipment. I have 2 sets so I said ok. I got him the stuff he needed and packed it all up, he never even bothered to show up to get it. What an ass. I called him and he was not around, since then I have left him 2 messages asking him what happend. It has been nearly 2 weeks and I still have not heard from him. Talk about being unthankful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THB Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 I don't like people I don't know using my stuff. Any of my stuff. People I know are fine, but there are too many idiots in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Preacher Will Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 Doesn't it come down to a simple question of trust? Who do you trust? Why or why not? i used to be really anal about lending gear until a couple of things happened to me. A couple of years ago i took my best acoustic, a Taylor, into Phil Jacoby's shop, Philtone, for some work. He was backed up (as is always the case with a really good luthier!) and it would be several days before he could get to my guitar. i was moaning that that would leave me with my beater or electrics and he said "i can fix that." He went back to a cabinet, pulled out his hand-crafted masterwork acoustic, and lent it to me until mine was finished. That taught me something about trust. He did something similar for me last Christmas when he lent me his favorite custom Tele for a big holiday gig my church had. Ever since then, i've started seeing myself more of a steward of instruments to share with responsible musicians than as a protector of my precious stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzball Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 Responsible musians, I think that is a key point here. I have yet to meet a responsible drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Edward Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 Trust is definitely the issue. I'd actually be more willing to lend out an amp than a guitar, as a general rule. A lot depends on value / repalcement cost too, of course - I'm less fussy about a cheapy than an expensive guitar - however, a guitar to me is more individual than the amp. Worst case scenario, most amps can be replaced. There's a money issue, but once that's sorted, it's the same amp to all intents and purposes, whereas no two guitars will ever be quite the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Edward Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 Course, what with me being a lefty, it's far more likely I'll get asked to lend an amp than a guitar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JacieFB Posted September 23, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 Originally posted by Edward Trust is definitely the issue. I'd actually be more willing to lend out an amp than a guitar, as a general rule. A lot depends on value / repalcement cost too, of course - I'm less fussy about a cheapy than an expensive guitar - however, a guitar to me is more individual than the amp. Worst case scenario, most amps can be replaced. There's a money issue, but once that's sorted, it's the same amp to all intents and purposes, whereas no two guitars will ever be quite the same. True...the other thing to consider...what if you're on tour? Your "income" depends on you being able to get to the next gig and have your equipment function properly. The trade-off is what if you're on tour and something fails...then you have to borrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MDLMUSIC Posted September 23, 2005 Members Share Posted September 23, 2005 Any guitarist asks to use my equipment, I just hand them this... Most don't ask a second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lefchr Posted September 24, 2005 Members Share Posted September 24, 2005 If they are friends I have no problem. If it is another band that just wants to use it just because their stuff is worse then no. If a bands amp wasnt working then I would most likely let them unless they where dicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joey Joe Joe Posted September 24, 2005 Members Share Posted September 24, 2005 At a gig the other other weekend, the opening band's bass player broke a string in soundcheck. I don't understand why people don't bring backup gear or at least an extra set of strings. I didn't know the guy, so I didn't want him using my bass, so I sold him my pack of strings. I've always got 2 basses and an extra set of strings at ever gig, it just boggles my mind how some people don't prepare for shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lefchr Posted September 24, 2005 Members Share Posted September 24, 2005 Originally posted by MDLMUSIC Any guitarist asks to use my equipment, I just hand them this... Most don't ask a second time. Is that a botle opener on the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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