Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 2, 2006 Moderators Posted February 2, 2006 When did this thread turn into a pissfest? I'm a bass player. I hate it too, when the bass player stands in front of the drummer. What are you guys get all worked up about? It's a legit gripe. You can entertain, and groove, and lock in with the drummer. But don't stand right in front of the the dude. That's just rude and amateurish... unless he's really ugly. Then it's probably the smart thing to do.
Members Super 8 Posted February 2, 2006 Members Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by THBv2.0 Sounds to me like you should stop playing with kids and move on to some serious musicians. How old are you? Well, as I've posted before, this is not *my* situation. The bassplayer I work with, and have worked with on and off since '88, is not like this. He's a joy to play with.I do play in various ensembles with rotating members, and the bassplayers run the gamut from being tuned in rhythmically, to being almost completely disconnected. And in those situations you have to deal with what you get. Some of the musicians have been incredible. Others have been,.....eh, not so incredible. I've also witnessed it many times in other bands, although apparently no one else in this forum ever has.And, I'm not sure why it should matter to this discussion, but I'll be turning 39 later this month.Vanlatte,I'm not bashing bassplayers, anymore than someone who complains about drummers who can't keep a tempo is 'bashing drummers'.
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 2, 2006 Moderators Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by nakedurkle I hate it when my accordian pinches my nipples. I hate it when my accordian player pinches my nipples.
Members THBv2.0 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Members Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by Super 8 Well, as I've posted before, this is not *my* situation. The bassplayer I work with, and have worked with on and off since '88, is not like this. He's a joy to play with. If it ain't yer situation, why the hell are you bitching about it? I do play in various ensembles with rotating members, and the bassplayers run the gamut from being tuned in rhythmically, to being almost completely disconnected. And in those situations you have to deal with what you get. Some of the musicians have been incredible. Others have been,.....eh, not so incredible. You choose who you play with and who you don't. If you don't like who you're playing with on any given night, who's fault is that? I've also witnessed it many times in other bands, although apparently no one else in this forum ever has. Look, what you're talking about here is rookie stuff. At my age, and yours too, anybody who has these problems are still in bands that deserve them. I take a certain amount of professionalism for granted. And, I'm not sure why it should matter to this discussion, but I'll be turning 39 later this month. I asked because you sounded like a high schooler bitching.
Members Super 8 Posted February 2, 2006 Members Posted February 2, 2006 THB, you sound like you're just trying to start an argument. This is a bitch thread, and I posted my bitch. My bitch isn't subject to your approval. You told me to STFU. Maybe you should take your own advice.Geesh, this is a tough room!Maybe we should talk politics instead...
Members THBv2.0 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Members Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by Super 8 THB, you sound like you're just trying to start an argument. This is a bitch thread, and I posted my bitch. My bitch isn't subject to your approval. I just want you to bitch about something age-appropriate!
Members Super 8 Posted February 2, 2006 Members Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by THBv2.0 I just want you to bitch about something age-appropriate! Whatever. Thanks for proving my point.
Members BlueStrat Posted February 2, 2006 Members Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by Lee Knight When did this thread turn into a pissfest? I'm a bass player. I hate it too, when the bass player stands in front of the drummer. What are you guys get all worked up about? It's a legit gripe. You can entertain, and groove, and lock in with the drummer. But don't stand right in front of the the dude. That's just rude and amateurish... unless he's really ugly. Then it's probably the smart thing to do. Buy a riser. problem solved. My bitch isn't subject to your approval. Too bad. I thought she was a bit homely!
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 2, 2006 Moderators Posted February 2, 2006 OK... back to I hate it when. I hate it when you play a set at a club with a nice PA and monitors with operator. Then you realize that your monitor only has your voice in it, and the opposite side of the stage only has his voice in it, etc. And you're pretty wrapped up in your hour of musical bliss to really have it register that you should take the 30 seconds to ask the PA guy for the other guys in your wedge. And your band relies pretty heavily on vocals. And you're well enough rehearsed that it's OK, but you never really get to that magic blend you're capable of. And then the sets over. I hate that.
Members THBv2.0 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Members Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by Super 8 Whatever. Thanks for proving my point. I stood in front of you?
Members SpacedCowboy Posted February 2, 2006 Members Posted February 2, 2006 I hate it when shirtless accordion players pinch their nipples in the clam dip while standing in front of the drummer.
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 2, 2006 Moderators Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by SpacedCowboy I hate it when shirtless accordion players pinch their nipples in the clam dip while standing in front of the drummer. ...all the while snorting lines of coke off floppy senior citizen breasts!
Members flemtone Posted February 2, 2006 Members Posted February 2, 2006 Jeebus, what a bunch of bull{censored}.THX1138 and THBv2.0, get over yourselves! What was supposed to be light-hearted bitching turns into a "yo mama so fat" hypersensitivity class. Take a friggin' Midol and lay down for awhile. Y'know what I hate? Self-important "Musicians" who take themselves so seriously that anything they read, they immediately put themselves in the starring role. Super8 wasn't talking about either of you, unless you've played in a band with him in the past. He mentions something that bothers him and you both crawl up his ass like proctologists on a bender. If it doesn't apply to you, then skip over the post! Such mishegas....
Members squealie Posted February 2, 2006 Members Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by Lee Knight I hate it when you play a set at a club with a nice PA and monitors with operator. Then you realize that your monitor only has your voice in it, and the opposite side of the stage only has his voice in it, etc. I was raised to call that a perfect monitor mix. If I can hear my guitar already, all I EVER want in my wedge is my voice. I can always hear the other guys caterwauling from stage volume. Same goes with the band. Simple, effective, easy.
Members squealie Posted February 2, 2006 Members Posted February 2, 2006 Originally posted by flemtone If it doesn't apply to you, then skip over the post! Then why don't you skip theirs, Einstone?
Members THX1138 Posted February 3, 2006 Members Posted February 3, 2006 Originally posted by flemtone Jeebus, what a bunch of bull{censored}. THX1138 and THBv2.0, get over yourselves! What was supposed to be light-hearted bitching turns into a "yo mama so fat" hypersensitivity class. Take a friggin' Midol and lay down for awhile. Y'know what I hate? Self-important "Musicians" who take themselves so seriously that anything they read, they immediately put themselves in the starring role. Super8 wasn't talking about either of you, unless you've played in a band with him in the past. He mentions something that bothers him and you both crawl up his ass like proctologists on a bender. If it doesn't apply to you, then skip over the post! Such mishegas.... We're havin a discussion here... a little back and forth of opinion. Is this your first time around musicians? I'm sorry this thread isn't chock full of rainbows and hugging children. Don't like the way its going, feel free to exit the thread.
Members THBv2.0 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Members Posted February 3, 2006 Originally posted by THX1138 We're havin a discussion here... a little back and forth of opinion. Is this your first time around musicians? I'm sorry this thread isn't chock full of rainbows and hugging children. Don't like the way its going, feel free to exit the thread. Now that's what we need! A "Rainbows and Hugging Children" thread. No opinions allowed.Why don't you get right on that, Flem?
Members funkywrench Posted February 3, 2006 Members Posted February 3, 2006 I hate it when cool threads turn into pissing matches
Members BlueStrat Posted February 3, 2006 Members Posted February 3, 2006 Originally posted by THBv2.0 Now that's what we need! A "Rainbows and Hugging Children" thread. No opinions allowed. Why don't you get right on that, Flem?
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 3, 2006 Moderators Posted February 3, 2006 Originally posted by squealie I was raised to call that a perfect monitor mix.If I can hear my guitar already, all I EVER want in my wedge is my voice. I can always hear the other guys caterwauling from stage volume.Same goes with the band. Simple, effective, easy. Sure. Depending on what you do, that could be a perfect monitor mix. What we do is maybe different from your scenario though. We're pulling out all the old style vocal blends you might hear the Turtles or Badfinger do. That stuff's gonna sound a lot better when you sing as a group. If I were doing the bass player's roll in Van Halen, I probably want what you described. Just me and more me, maybe a little kick.
Members Super 8 Posted February 3, 2006 Members Posted February 3, 2006 Originally posted by THX1138 I meant that I am what you're referring to in the sense that I'm basically a guitarist turned bass player. And that folks like myself aren't always hack jobs looking to cash in on guitar player glory. Yeah, I can appreciate where you are coming from THX, but even though you switched over from guitar, you still had that experience on the drums to draw from. And I think that is critical in making a solid bassplayer. Rhythm is not *typically* the strong suit of guitarists. And frankly, the same often goes for keyboardists as well. I'll probably catch {censored} for saying that, but I'm sorry, I've been playing in bands for over twenty years and this has been something I've seen pretty consistantly.The emphasis on those instruments is on chord theory and scales, not on rhythm. So while bass is a relatively easy instrument for a guitarist to transition to, musicians who have come to the bass by way of the guitar often have an underdeveloped rhythmic sense, and often don't really understand their relationship to their drummer. Now understand, I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not saying this is the case in every senario. But in general, this is what I have noticed. To me, a good bassplayer is two-thirds drummer, and one-third guitarist. Look at some of the greatest keyboardists and guitarists in the world. Chick Corea and Al Dimiola come to mind. Both have a strong basis in percussion. Their rhythmic understanding is part of what makes them such amazing players. Probably the most amazing guitarist I've had the pleasure of meeting, and also recording, is Fareed Haque. You'll find him listed along with Eric Clapton and Mark Knopler on Sting's 'Nothing Like the Sun' album. One of the things that Fareed does to strenghen his rhythmic chops is to play a shaker along with the radio. Funny as it may sound, he says it has made all the difference in his guitar playing. I do think I understand the type you speak of though. I don't see that as much as I do the bass player who fancies himself the guitar player, whereby groove and foundation give way to unneccessary bass leads and general overall notiness. Okay, I think we're understanding each other. I don't have a problem with melodic bassplayers though.Jeff Berlin is a favorite of mine, and he's all over the neck on his bass. But his rhythmic sense is impeccable. You could set your watch to his playing. But, yeah, I understand what you are saying, and I think it goes along with what I've been saying.
Members Super 8 Posted February 3, 2006 Members Posted February 3, 2006 Originally posted by flemtone Jeebus, what a bunch of bull{censored}. THX1138 and THBv2.0, get over yourselves! What was supposed to be light-hearted bitching turns into a "yo mama so fat" hypersensitivity class. Take a friggin' Midol and lay down for awhile. Well, thanks for the plug, Flem.I think I understand what THX is saying, and perhaps he's understanding me a little better. And I did give him a little {censored} up front, which I don't think came off the way I had intended it, but hope I patched that one up.THB seems more interested in being an antagonist, so he's not really worth bothering with, even though he apparently wants the attention..But I appreciate the backup. And you're right, I wasn't talking about anyone here. Rather, I was speaking from my own observations.
Members THX1138 Posted February 3, 2006 Members Posted February 3, 2006 Super, So we took two seperate roads to the same basic idea? Gotcha, and I'm in full agreement. Yeah, I definately attribute starting on drums as the most important step in my own personal musical evolution. If you don't understand the importance of rhythm, you have a tough row to hoe. Not sayin I'm blazing new trails on bass, but I'm nothing if not solid. For what we do as a band, I seem to be a good fit. I don't really mind notey bass players either... as long as they are a compliment instead of a distraction. Unfortunately, that is the line that is most often blurred. Some guys don't quite understand the difference. Just cause you can torch a neck doesn't mean its the best fit for the tune. Sometimes, its what you don't play that matters. And I hear you loud an clear on the occasional rhythm difficulties with guitar players. Now will all the forumites screamin about pissin matches and whatnot kindly zippit?
Members flemtone Posted February 3, 2006 Members Posted February 3, 2006 oh, sure...NOW we all get reasonable!!!Sorry for the meltdown, everybody. Not having a good week (month/year, etc). I also started on drums in the early 70s (well, actually classical piano in the mid '60s, but that's another story), then migrated to bass (we got a REAL drummer!). I agree that it's a very natural progression to follow in a rhythmic vein. I notice that, when my band changes up (or when I play guitar in my acoustic band), my guitar playing is definitely syncopated to the point of being a 'beat' instrument. I couldn't play a lead if my life depended on it, however...though, on bass, I don't find that same constraint. Fills, constructions, scaling to the beat or off-beat seems to come naturally whether I'm playing percussion, guitar or bass.Do you find the same thing?peace,Tim from Jersey
Members Super 8 Posted February 3, 2006 Members Posted February 3, 2006 Originally posted by flemtone oh, sure... NOW we all get reasonable!!! Well Flem, you know I only argue cuz I love the make-up sex so much.
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