Members vanlatte Posted February 10, 2006 Members Posted February 10, 2006 Hang in there THX, I agree with the sentiment that you guys are top shelf. You have a good thing going on here and I know the feeling to a certain degree, although you are a lot further along those "levels" that blue strat mentioned than I ever got to with my previous pack of villans. I know its cliche, but I will say it anyway: Chin up, sunny side of the street and all that. Who knows what may be just around the corner?
Members BlueStrat Posted February 10, 2006 Members Posted February 10, 2006 Originally posted by wheresgrant3 Yeah... I hear ya! But what about all those memories. There's nothing memorable about advertising design. (Hahaa! Just kidding! ) Well, you know, G, with all the controlled substances I did, I don't have that many memories anyway!
Members THBv2.0 Posted February 10, 2006 Members Posted February 10, 2006 Originally posted by BlueStrat Well, you know, G, with all the controlled substances I did, I don't have that many memories anyway! It's true! He doesn't remember the 2 grand he owes me!
Members BlueStrat Posted February 11, 2006 Members Posted February 11, 2006 Originally posted by THBv2.0 It's true! He doesn't remember the 2 grand he owes me! Here ya go...
Members THBv2.0 Posted February 11, 2006 Members Posted February 11, 2006 Originally posted by BlueStrat Here ya go... * sawbucksterbates *
Members BlueStrat Posted February 11, 2006 Members Posted February 11, 2006 I think we owe THX1138 an apology for hijacking his thread... Sorry! And it will NEVER EVER HAPPEN AGAIN *(I'd like to think)*
Members THBv2.0 Posted February 11, 2006 Members Posted February 11, 2006 Originally posted by BlueStrat I think we owe THX1138 an apology for hijacking his thread... Sorry! And it will NEVER EVER HAPPEN AGAIN *(I'd like to think)*
Members BlueStrat Posted February 11, 2006 Members Posted February 11, 2006 Originally posted by THBv2.0 Are you mocking my graciousness? Hmmm??
Members SpacedCowboy Posted February 11, 2006 Members Posted February 11, 2006 On behalf of THX, thanks everybody for the support and advice. And THX, if you're reading this...not to put our business in the street, but don't let it get ya down dude...we ain't the first band to believe the words of some fast talking snake-oil salesman who turned out to be more full of {censored} than a construction site port-o-john...and we won't be the last. But one way or another, we'll be alright.
Members BndGrl Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 I've got nothing to add here that I haven't all ready said to you all before but I'll say it again. You all are amazing, truly special and I hope with everything in me that the right person will hear you soon. It frustrates me too although obviously not at the same level it does you. But it just kills me to hear some of the {censored} I hear on the radio today knowing there is real talent that isn't getting heard. When I become independtly wealthy, I'll put your asses on the road myself and pay off who ever I need to to get you heard but until then I'll just keep dragging a bunch of ho's to your shows.
Members BlueStrat Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by BndGrl I've got nothing to add here that I haven't all ready said to you all before but I'll say it again. You all are amazing, truly special and I hope with everything in me that the right person will hear you soon. It frustrates me too although obviously not at the same level it does you. But it just kills me to hear some of the {censored} I hear on the radio today knowing there is real talent that isn't getting heard. When I become independtly wealthy, I'll put your asses on the road myself and pay off who ever I need to to get you heard but until then I'll just keep dragging a bunch of ho's to your shows. Wish I had a dime for every time I was told that by one of my friends. Multiply that by 100,000 other bands across the country and you see that success and being good at what you do aren't necessarily connected.
Members BndGrl Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by BlueStrat that success and being good at what you do aren't necessarily connected. Unfortunately this is entirely too true. In this business it usually comes down to who you know not how good you are.
Members LiveMusic Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 I offer this only to help. Just being honest. It's a brutal business. How old are you guys? If you're not early 20's, you can pretty much hang it up. BTW, I hated your website. I couldn't tell how to find what I was looking for. Maybe you guys should look into some usability principles. With your menu headings like... radarsensesthus fartransmissions ??? Why do you want what you don't have? What do you think that will get you? If you are early 20's and kicking ass, absolutely kicking ass, the odds are still a million to one. Now, if everybody quit, nobody would get anywhere. But, you have to ask yourself, what is that you want that you don't have now? Again, how old are you guys? Ain't it a bitch. Good luck to you, I hope you find the success you wish for.
Members squealie Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by LiveMusic I offer this only to help. Just being honest. It's a brutal business. How old are you guys? If you're not early 20's, you can pretty much hang it up. BTW, I hated your website. I couldn't tell how to find what I was looking for. Maybe you guys should look into some usability principles. With your menu headings like... radar senses thus far transmissions ??? Why do you want what you don't have? What do you think that will get you? If you are early 20's and kicking ass, absolutely kicking ass, the odds are still a million to one. Now, if everybody quit, nobody would get anywhere. But, you have to ask yourself, what is that you want that you don't have now? Again, how old are you guys? Ain't it a bitch. Good luck to you, I hope you find the success you wish for. Thanks for the response. If I were on the outside looking in, I would say the exact same things to us. The ridiculous truth, is that we never expected to meet with any success or have anyone respond to our music or performances. But we have, and they have. And we would like to take it as far as possible, even with the understanding that we really don't have much of a chance to 'make it'. Our current, best expectation, is to be a band like Fuel, or Disturbed were before they were major label acts: Old guys selling tons of records from the website/ trunk-of car.
Members LiveMusic Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 What I would do is concentrate on being the best Indie act you can be. Local gigs, sell CD's. Just do your thing and have fun and what happens, happens. Assuming that it will never be anything more than allowing you to have fun and make some spare change. But as for chasing the rainbow, unless you are young, I wouldn't do it. If I had a family.
Members squealie Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by LiveMusic What I would do is concentrate on being the best Indie act you can be. Local gigs, sell CD's. Just do your thing and have fun and what happens, happens. Assuming that it will never be anything more than allowing you to have fun and make some spare change. But as for chasing the rainbow, unless you are young, I wouldn't do it. If I had a family. Once again, thanks. But I think the point of this thread, was that we'd like to continue to push out, and expand on what we've already proven. We KNOW that it can be done, and we feel confident that we can accomplish larger goals. The 'frustration' comes from bumps in the road that are not due to our limitations. This applies to ANY performers out there. So it's relavant to all, IMO. What you seem to be repeating, is a 'it's impossible, so why bother trying' sort of mindset. While likely true, we are not at that point yet. The level of talent, and chemistry, and performance ability of this unit is inspiring, and we are justified in wanting to move to a higher level.
Members squealie Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 For example... THX and I were in a 'road-band' together many years ago. While talented, and capable in its own rite, that band was nowhere near as 'roadworthy' as TK is. Yet we gigged, up and down the east coast constantly, with a promoter who always went to bat for us. Simply BECAUSE we were riding the coat-tails of what success that band HAD in a previous generation. Empirically proving the 'who-you-know' mantra that is the cause of our pissedoffedness.
Members BndGrl Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by squealie The level of talent, and chemistry, and performance ability of this unit is inspiring, and we are justified in wanting to move to a higher level. Funny, I was just having a similar conversation with another musician in South FL and without me even mentioning TK I got this response: "I don't understand why mediorcre hacks like JR can supposedly get a tour, and great musicians like Kenny, TK, etc don't get the credit they deserve. " So yea, everyone else sees your talent too.
Members squealie Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by BndGrl Funny, I was just having a similar conversation with another musician in South FL and without me even mentioning TK I got this response: "I don't understand why mediorcre hacks like JR can supposedly get a tour, and great musicians like Kenny, TK, etc don't get the credit they deserve. " So yea, everyone else sees your talent too. Thanks GngBng, but to be fair, you were probably talking to a musician, and 'musicians' never seem to understand why: sells more records than: I understand tho.
Members LiveMusic Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by squealie What you seem to be repeating, is a 'it's impossible, so why bother trying' sort of mindset. That's not what I said. Or not what I meant to imply anyway. My position is that if you are not in your early-20's, odds are even more sky-high against you, even if you are really great. And if you have family ties, that makes it double worse. And my point was... you have to make the decision about what price are you willing to pay? I'll accept that you have a really good band and people really like you... and I also said if nobody every tried, no one would ever make it! So, go for it... if you are willing to pay a hefty price for awhile. If you're footloose and fancy-free, why not. I also am one to support someone who is good. I get beat down enough myself, I know you don't want to hear more people tell you you can't. But you may have to reinvent the wheel. Who knows, you might just do that. Get creative. ASK your fans to help you. Literally. Tell them you NEED their help. Challenge them to each bring two new friends to the next show. Tell them you need to know if anyone has any music industry contacts, you NEED to know who they are. Stuff like that. Your fans will want to help you.
Members squealie Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by LiveMusic Get creative. ASK your fans to help you. Literally. Tell them you NEED their help. Challenge them to each bring two new friends to the next show. Tell them you need to know if anyone has any music industry contacts, you NEED to know who they are. Stuff like that. Your fans will want to help you. This is great advice. For anyone.
Members BndGrl Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by squealie Thanks GngBng, but to be fair, you were probably talking to a musician, and 'musicians' never seem to understand why: I understand tho. SqHOlie: Where'd you get that picture of Gary?
Members RockGirl Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 But it just kills me to hear some of the {censored} I hear on the radio today knowing there is real talent that isn't getting heard. Same here! I know that for every crappy band on the radio there are many with much more talent that just haven't gotten the exposure. Good luck to you all!
Members vanlatte Posted February 13, 2006 Members Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by LiveMusic I offer this only to help. Just being honest. It's a brutal business.How old are you guys? If you're not early 20's, you can pretty much hang it up. I used to scoff at this sort of advice but I am afraid there is a lot of truth to it. Especially having a family; I mean what are a bunch of 30-40 somethings supposed to do, quit their day jobs, give up insurance and put the people that depend on them in jeapordy so we can live in a van (down by the river!) to try to make it? For most of us in that situation it's just not feasable. I think this was the point where I diverged with my previous band; I just could never see us (all late 30s, married, family, full time jobs) having to make that "big" decision. I guess you could say I never believed in it happening, but I prefer to look at it from a realism standpoint in that I was the only one with my feet really on the ground. Believe me, I know that feeling; "Sure, our chances our slim but *we* are different. It could happen" And to be honest I am glad I will never have to make that decision now, or be the one that brought down the "dream" because I didnt want to give up my full time job and benefits to try to make it work. But at the same time I realize everyone is different and it can be done. Each of us just needs to make the decision for ourselves.
Members cornfordsnob Posted March 21, 2006 Members Posted March 21, 2006 Originally posted by squealie For example... THX and I were in a 'road-band' together many years ago. While talented, and capable in its own rite, that band was nowhere near as 'roadworthy' as TK is. Yet we gigged, up and down the east coast constantly, with a promoter who always went to bat for us. Simply BECAUSE we were riding the coat-tails of what success that band HAD in a previous generation. Empirically proving the 'who-you-know' mantra that is the cause of our pissedoffedness. "Simply BECAUSE we were riding the coat-tails of what success that band HAD in a previous generation" there's part of the problem, define the "success" this band had. sold lots of beer for clubs ? earned lots of drug money for whoever collected the money and skimmed off the top before paying out the per diems to the "successful rockstars" ?? the cost to the "musicians" was lost youth, lost musical integrity, lost energy wearing the costume and living the lifestyle, and the years it takes for swollen egos to deflate. the pay wasn't $$ but was the opportunity to feel like a big rock star and live the appearance of what was the real goal.. or was it ? IF the point was to have fun then was it really a waste ? but if the point was to have a real chance to "make it big" the lesson learned was the wrong one, a lesson that will take time to unlearn. ever seen Pinocchio where the boys are on the island and they live it up, until they start sprouting ears and tails ?? after all, how would you be sure you're living the reality and not the appearance ? if you define success as something achieved in the past, is going back the real goal, just bigger ?
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