Yet another nail in the coffin of live music

[Beachbum]

Originally posted by paostby *shakes head* Some people here will just never comprehend consenting adults on private property. I hope they ban everything. Then consenting adults can go to speakeasy's. Then we can eventually call them bars (not healthclubs).

 

 

As an adult I don't consent to breathing someone else's cigarette smoke.

 

I think it's more a matter of not everyone's opinion on matters will coincide, we're all the same but with different tastes. It's not really a matter of comprehension, as people on the other side of the coin can easily claim it's you that does not comprehend. Different strokes for different folks.

 

(I personally would go into more bars if cugarette smoking was banned. My clothes reek the next day as a result of the smoke.)

[babyfrank]

Smoking ban (in pubs, clubs restaurants etc,.) kicks in here in Scotland on Sunday, and I can't wait - no more stinking like an ashtray after a gig. You can wash your clothes, body and hair, but all your gear smells of it permanently too.

Add to that the fact that I won't have to breathe in that crap anymore and I'm looking forward to our first smokefree gig in a couple of weeks.

[Tim Jones]

Next they'll say you can't get DRUNK in a bar. Oh wait....

TJ

[Beachbum]

I can understand why the authorities are doing this, but I don't necessarily agree with it.

I've always wondered why the cops don't simply sit 1 block from the bar parking lot at closing time and arrest 95% of the people who drive. You know they're over the legal limit anyhow.

This really has nothing to do with the subject though (just like smoking doesn't either).

[sventvkg]

Originally posted by Beachbum I can understand why the authorities are doing this, but I don't necessarily agree with it. I've always wondered why the cops don't simply sit 1 block from the bar parking lot at closing time and arrest 95% of the people who drive. You know they're over the legal limit anyhow. This really has nothing to do with the subject though (just like smoking doesn't either).

 

 

They Do that in S. FL where I used to gig regularly. I used to warm people from that stage to watch it. Cops would sit right there in the parking lot and follow drivers. They pulled me over once when I left, and I didn't even drink on gig nights..They just harassed us.

 

 

As for smoking in a bar verses drinking, people who drink in a bar are ingesting the drug themselves and it's not hurting anyone else. When you smoke me and everyone else who is there that does not smoke have to be subjected to the 2nd hand version of the substance and we have no choice about it. That's the difference. I'm obviously ALL FOR not infringing on my space..Shoot up, snort anything you want and drink up right next to me for all I care! But light up and I have to breath your toxic substance and that infringes upon my space..Sorry but that's the case and I hope the smoking ban is put into wider circulation. It's only fair. It's bull{censored} that you NEED to smoke while you are out drinking.

[BlueStrat]

Originally posted by Beachbum I can understand why the authorities are doing this, but I don't necessarily agree with it. I've always wondered why the cops don't simply sit 1 block from the bar parking lot at closing time and arrest 95% of the people who drive. You know they're over the legal limit anyhow. This really has nothing to do with the subject though (just like smoking doesn't either).

 

 

I've often wondered the same thing.

 

It seems absurd for cities to licence bar businesses and states to issue liquor licenses to establishements located in areas where clearly people are going to have to drive to get to them, and then whine about drunk driving. Yeah, it's a problem, a huge one, so why are they helping create it? "Here's your liquor license to put your club up on the outskirts of town. Gee, we hope no one drives to it."

 

I think all pubs ought to be neighborhood ones. It'll never happen, but it just seems surreal to me sometimes.

[MrKnobs]

Originally posted by sventvkg It's bull{censored} that you NEED to smoke while you are out drinking.

 

 

Smokers are addicts. In fact, nicotine is more addictive than heroin. Wherever they are, they HAVE to smoke.

 

Ever hang around a smoker who's trying to quit?

 

Terry D.

[2180]

Don't you just wonder what all this is leading too? It's like walking-up to someone and punching them in the face and then saying, I thought you were going to hit me, so I hit you first? Isn't that psychotic behavior? At the very least sociopathic and people accept this?

Now you have the police arresting people minding their own business, so some little old lady or other prudes can "feel" good. For some reason I can't see this happening, for instance, in the northern part of the country where some steel mill workers just got-off work and stopped at the local bar for a couple cold brews and the purity-police come in and arrest them for drinking, just not possible, is it?

Don't you wonder if maybe some "real" criminals aren't being dealt with because the police want to harass it's citizenry instead? Maybe this is Texas gone off the scale of political correctness and Governor Perry can use this to get votes. We are just too tolerant of the mind numbing stupidity the insecure morons shove at us, maybe because it didn't happen too "me".

It's all about making someone feel "good" and for the authorities to look "good", it's not about actually doing any "good", thats the sad thing about it all, satisfying some self-centered emotional need at the expense of someone else's life, livelihood and well being. We are 180 deg. out-of spin and headed for a brick wall............IMHO

If you drink too much - take a cab, walk or stay home.
If you smoke - go outside.
There, I just solved all our problems!

[BndGrl]

Something similar happened here over the summer. There's a bar at a local lake that apparently had several incidents of people leaving intoxicated and getting into wrecks on the way home. There always seemed to be roadblocks whenever we left.

But the local ABC agents stepped it up a notch and began regularly entering the bar undercover and arresting people for being drunk in public. Now this bar is outdoors but surronded by a huge privacy fence. But apparently as long as there was no roof it was considered "outdoors."

The biggest "bust" came near the end of the summer when they came arrested not only arrested tons of people (I *heard* upwards of 80 but you know how that goes) but the band's singer was cited as well.

[BlueStrat]

Originally posted by MrKnobs Smokers are addicts. In fact, nicotine is more addictive than heroin. Wherever they are, they HAVE to smoke. Ever hang around a smoker who's trying to quit? Terry D.

 

 

No lie. I didn't even want to be around myself when I quit. I can only imagine what it must have been like for my wife and kids!

[BlueStrat]

Originally posted by 2180 Don't you just wonder what all this is leading too? It's like walking-up to someone and punching them in the face and then saying, I thought you were going to hit me, so I hit you first? Isn't that psychotic behavior? At the very least sociopathic and people accept this? Now you have the police arresting people minding their own business, so some little old lady or other prudes can "feel" good. For some reason I can't see this happening, for instance, in the northern part of the country where some steel mill workers just got-off work and stopped at the local bar for a couple cold brews and the purity-police come in and arrest them for drinking, just not possible, is it? Don't you wonder if maybe some "real" criminals aren't being dealt with because the police want to harass it's citizenry instead? Maybe this is Texas gone off the scale of political correctness and Governor Perry can use this to get votes. We are just too tolerant of the mind numbing stupidity the insecure morons shove at us, maybe because it didn't happen too "me". It's all about making someone feel "good" and for the authorities to look "good", it's not about actually doing any "good", thats the sad thing about it all, satisfying some self-centered emotional need at the expense of someone else's life, livelihood and well being. We are 180 deg. out-of spin and headed for a brick wall............IMHO If you drink too much - take a cab, walk or stay home. If you smoke - go outside. There, I just solved all our problems!

I know this is off topic, but a good example of what you're talking about.

Two days ago here, a local high school was evacuated and shut down, and taken over by HazMat teams, because some kid brought a little vial of mercury to school and some guys were rolling it around on their desks. You know, the same mercury that used to be given to us by teachers in the 60s as part of the science lesson. As far as I know, everyone in my class from those days is still with us.

Oh, and we now have a law that every person on any open wheeled vehicle, be it rollerblades, bicycle, skateboard, scooter, little red wagon, or what have you, must wear a helmet or get a stiff fine, even if on private property.

You just wonder how far the nanny state is going to go to protect us from ourselves.

[Beachbum]

I'm mildly concerned that these types of events may increase as states need more money.

Enforce stupid laws, collect the fines, the state (or city, county, etc.) gets more money. Different form of taxation?

[Spynal]

Well this IS Texas after all. It won't be long before they start just executing people on the spot to save the money required to house them in Huntsville.

[elbow]

Originally posted by Spynal Well this IS Texas after all. It won't be long before they start just executing people on the spot to save the money required to house them in Huntsville.

It's more wide-spread than Texas.. this is one that made the news.. if you want to call it that. There was a previous poster from VA I think that had a similar experience.

I live in Texas, and when I read it, the first reaction I had, was "That's San Anonio, that would never happen over here." I was wrong. It shouldn't be happening anywhere.

When people get arrested for something that *might* happen, we are in a sad state (no pun intended) of affairs.

There used to be patrol cars that hung out in front of a local watering hole here. The people got fed up and waited outside the country club a mile away. Guess what, no cop cars.

At the next city council meeting there was some press invited and some locals bringing their complaints. The lurkinging in the parking lot stopped.

[Spynal]

Originally posted by elbow It's more wide-spread than Texas.. this is one that made the news.. if you want to call it that. There was a previous poster from VA I think that had a similar experience. I live in Texas, and when I read it, the first reaction I had, was "That's San Anonio, that would never happen over here." I was wrong. It shouldn't be happening anywhere. When people get arrested for something that *might* happen, we are in a sad state (no pun intended) of affairs.

 

 

I whole-heartedly agree, and I wasn't trying to dumb it down at all. I realize the severity of this, and I find it quite appalling. I never saw the Virginia (or wherever) post, but yeah, this IS getting a bit out of hand.

[elbow]

Originally posted by Spynal I whole-heartedly agree, and I wasn't trying to dumb it down at all. I realize the severity of this, and I find it quite appalling. I never saw the Virginia (or wherever) post, but yeah, this IS getting a bit out of hand.

I was not pickin on you or anyone. Sorry if it looked like I was

Just ranting again

[Spynal]

Originally posted by elbow I was not pickin on you or anyone. Sorry if it looked like I was Just ranting again

No harm, no foul

I'm a chronic rant-er myself.

[cherri]

Sitting at home discussing the situation on a message board may be theraputic, but not helpful.

Write a letter to your elected officials. Ask them why you did not have an opportunity to VOTE on this new law? Get some people together and protest. If you seriously object to these new laws, do something.

[Blackwatch]

I've always wondered why the cops don't simply sit 1 block from the bar parking lot at closing time and arrest 95% of the people who drive. You know they're over the legal limit anyhow.

 

 

Too many bars to cover......

[elbow]

Originally posted by cherri Sitting at home discussing the situation on a message board may be theraputic, but not helpful. Write a letter to your elected officials. Ask them why you did not have an opportunity to VOTE on this new law? Get some people together and protest. If you seriously object to these new laws, do something.

Great point.... that's exactly what you do.

[Prog]

Most of you don't even understand what private and public are. Or consent.

You'll get what you deserve.

[Beachbum]

Originally posted by paostby Most of you don't even understand what private and public are. Or consent. You'll get what you deserve.

It'll be a rough go for the most of us to which you refer, but we'll persevere and hopefully survive.

Your supreme guidance on special occasions will be appreciated though, and just remember - if any of us posessed the knowledge that you do, it would be more difficult for you to be the all-knowing billionaire that you are. (You are a billionaire, surely, with all of that knowledge, right?)

C'mon down and join the rest of us bro', we'll be glad to have ya.

[Tim Jones]

Originally posted by paostby Most of you don't even understand what private and public are. Or consent. You'll get what you deserve.

 

 

????. I don't know about the get what you deserve part but what constitutes public and private is a good question.

 

If you have a fender bender in the parking lot the cops say sorry you'll have to figure it out between the two of you because it's....Private Property. So the parking lot is private but inside the club is public?

 

I do think it's considered public unless you have to be a member to be there. That's how some places get around the smoking thing in Cali.

 

Consider this.... A group of friends go out and designate a driver. I know it's not common but it does happen. OK, so now a few of the friends get arrested IN THE BAR for PI. They were not causing trouble or fighting or anything that would normally get you thrown out or arrested. Is that right? They would not have been a danger when they left as they had designated a non-drinking driver for the night.

 

Oh well, this could go back and forth depending on your perspective but the fact of the matter is IT'S A BAR!!!!

 

 

OT: As far as consent and the smoking issue I see it like this. IT'S A BAR!!! There will be smoke, alcohol, and even drunk people. If you dislike being around any of those then don't go. If you go then you are consenting to be in that atmosphere and know what to expect.

 

My 2-cents

 

TJ

[danbomb]

It is {censored}ed up but the cops in Hollywood are worse. They wait for you to get in your car at 1-2 AM and nail you for a DUI! The only fair comprimise would be for the cops to wait outside the club and ADVISE you not to drive if you look like a risk. {censored} they could even make you blow into the breathalizer before allowing you to drive.

[Guitar Centaur]

All in favor of giving Texas back to Mexico, say Aye!