Moderators MrKnobs Posted March 23, 2006 Moderators Posted March 23, 2006 Don't be drunk in a bar in Texas Terry D.
Members elbow Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 As a Texan, I am appalled and ashamed, but not surprised:rolleyes: What's next?.. You get arrested for going into a bar, because you *might* drink, *might* get drunk, and *might* do something stupid?
Members guitarmook Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 I remember several (10?) years ago when there was a brief smoking ban that didn't work, the Black Cat had a sign outside that said something to the effect of: "This is a private club. Members of this private club are encouraged to smoke, drink, carouse, and otherwise have a good time. If you don't want to participate in such activities, please refrain from entering this club. If you DO want to join the festivities, please pay the daily membership fee of $1 at the door. Thank You." I wonder if something like that would help avoid the 'smoking ban' and the 'Drunk In Public' crap that's going around... Probably not.
Members Kevin T Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Proly!We really NEED to decouple live music from bars bar flys and drunks. Any good ideas? And Yey I know about coffee shops! I played a Hooka-Bar/ coffee house but they only feature originalwhich I rarely play because in NW NJ orig clubs are very rare. Kevin T
Members fastplant Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by Kevin T Proly!We really NEED to decouple live music from bars bar flys and drunks. Any good ideas? And Yey I know about coffee shops! I played a Hooka-Bar/ coffee house but they only feature originalwhich I rarely play because in NW NJ orig clubs are very rare.Kevin T I've been saying this for a long time. I've never understood why bands can really only play at bars, save for rare exceptions in the summertime.
Members Beachbum Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by fastplant I've been saying this for a long time. I've never understood why bands can really only play at bars, save for rare exceptions in the summertime. Would you say that the majority of paying gigs are at bars and establishments that serve alcohol? And if so, what percentage of the paying gigs are at the alcohol serving establishments? (80%?)
Members way2fat Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Most of our gigs are not at bars, they're at wineries, fairs, and festivals. The reason coffee houses go with originals is ASCAP/BMI.
Members way2fat Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by MrKnobs Don't be drunk in a bar in Texas Terry D. Wow. What the {censored} kind of communist state are they running down there? Sounds like the only place left to have a drink with friends is out on the ranch, hunting quail.
Members Prog Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by Kevin T We really NEED to decouple live music from bars bar flys and drunks. Good luck. You sound like the ladies groups of the 1910s. It's been this way, in the States, since Prohibition and long before. Remember saloons with the piano player? There was usually a cathouse upstairs. "Lips that touch liquor will never touch mine." There's your "new" slogan. Do you really think I'm going to come listen to your band while I have an Evian with bean sprouts? And pay a cover charge? On a Saturday night? Bars are where the money is. Drinking, gambling, smoking, sex, etc. are what bars offer consenting adults. But, some people don't like what consenting adults do on private property. Many smoking bans were installed (not requested) for the safety of the employees, not the consenting adult patrons. Even consenting adult employees are ignored. I question this, but let's say this is okay just for this thread. So, what "safe working conditions" would allow 4 waitresses and 200 drunks? What "safe working conditions" would encourage drinking? None. So, bars are becoming illegal, and many musicians here are unwittingly aiding in their demise. Private clubs (speakeasies !) will have to come back into vogue due to nanny-state attitudes. Way too many musicians are the nannies, too.
Members doctorno Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by elbow As a Texan, I am appalled and ashamed, but not surprised:rolleyes: What's next?.. You get arrested for going into a bar, because you *might* drink, *might* get drunk, and *might* do something stupid? Hell if that law was in effect around the time when our folks were party hounds, half of us wouldn't be making music today. All kidding aside, this sucks. A lot of my gigs used to pay a portion of the register take at the end of the night. No one drinks, I lose money.
Members Blackwatch Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 What's next?.. You get arrested for going into a bar, because you *might* drink, *might* get drunk, and *might* do something stupid? Well...we got another Texan taking us to war because they might attack us. So what do you guys have in the water there....?????
Members way2fat Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 I have a friend from Peru; Iasked him what was the biggest difference he sees between living in the US and living in Peru. He told me: "In Peru, your politics can get you into deep trouble, but nobody cares what you do in your own home. In the US, it is exactly the opposite." Pretty sad, eh?
Members srsfallriver Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 This seems more like something that would happen up here in New England. I hope the big brother types in Boston don't hear about this. It'll give them bad ideas. I'd never expect that from Texas! Sure surprised me.
Members SanDiego333 Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by way2fat Wow. What the {censored} kind of communist state are they running down there? Sounds like the only place left to have a drink with friends is out on the ranch, hunting quail.
Members Prog Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by srsfallriver I'd never expect that from Texas! Sure surprised me. Austin is more like Boston than Texas. You can expect more of this in California and New York City.
Members elbow Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by Blackwatch Well...we got another Texan taking us to war because they might attack us. So what do you guys have in the water there....????? :confused:
Members Nighthawkdude Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Personally, I'm all for the smoking ban. I sing better in the clear air (plus, my asthma stays under control). I hate coming home smelling like an ashtray. I may be wrong, but I don't know anyone who goes down to 6th street with the sole aim of smoking. I agree that live music and alcohol go hand in hand. Frankly, playing coffee shops is boring (I do them, though, because it's an easy gig). This new practice of preemptive DUI arrests is total crap. Just my $.02...
Members gtrbass Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 What's a preemptive DUI arrest? You might drive so they arrest you? How does that work in court? In the old days the cops might take you home if it was a slow night. BTW - Texas isn't a communist state...it's a totalitarian state.
Moderators BATCAT Posted March 23, 2006 Moderators Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by Nighthawkdude Personally, I'm all for the smoking ban. I sing better in the clear air (plus, my asthma stays under control). I hate coming home smelling like an ashtray. I think we can all agree that that what's happening in Texas is beyond retarded. But I really feel that the smoking ban is a different story. I'm all for smoking bans in public places; it's not that hard to go outside to grab a puff, you don't force other patrons to inhale other people's smoke, you don't come home smelling disgusting, no more raw, raspy post-gig throat... Hell, even all my friends that smoke grudgingly admit that they'r happy about the ban; they all admit they want to stop and having to step out makes them smoke a lot less, plus like anyone else they don't like to stink. In some places here the smoke used to get so thick your eyes would sting and start watering... no, can't say I miss it.
Members Beachbum Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 No comparisons to be made between smoking and alcohol in my opinion. Besides, bars aren't in business primarily to sell cigarettes.
Members elbow Posted March 23, 2006 Members Posted March 23, 2006 Maybe this is turning to a thread that is better served on the SSS forum... maybe But everyone should be a little upset.. This is not a Texas versus my whatever state I live in. It could happen anywhere there is ignorance and the people allow it. And the argument of.. I like the previous law banning the stuff I didn't like in bars, but not this?. It's a slippery slope that's all.
Moderators MrKnobs Posted March 24, 2006 Author Moderators Posted March 24, 2006 Originally posted by Blackwatch Well...we got another Texan taking us to war because they might attack us.So what do you guys have in the water there....????? Bush is hated in Austin. A liberal oasis in the conservative desert of Texas. Recently the Republican controlled state legislature cut Austin into three voting districts to dilute our vote. One district runs all the way to the edge of Houston 180 miles, and another runs as a thin thread most of the way down to Mexico (210 miles). Terry D.
Members srsfallriver Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 Originally posted by MrKnobs Bush is hated in Austin. A liberal oasis in the conservative desert of Texas.Recently the Republican controlled state legislature cut Austin into three voting districts to dilute our vote. One district runs all the way to the edge of Houston 180 miles, and another runs as a thin thread most of the way down to Mexico (210 miles).Terry D. The Dems do the same thing here in Ma. Its a power thing. I don't care for it either.
Members Blackwatch Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 Elbow...nothing personal man, the words just lined up and I had to go for it. I have many friends from Texas and have absolutely no problems with it. As far as the smoking ban, most of the bar owners I've talked to are surprised as hell that there seems to be a small surge in customers after the ban here in Washington. They figure alot of folks that avoided the bars because of the smoke are trying them out again. The crowds seem to be a bit fuller when I play......The place I'm gigng Saturday is especially happy with it because they have a natural place for smokers out back That they've set up so the smokers have been coming there to be comforatble.......
Members Prog Posted March 24, 2006 Members Posted March 24, 2006 *shakes head* Some people here will just never comprehend consenting adults on private property. I hope they ban everything. Then consenting adults can go to speakeasy's. Then we can eventually call them bars (not healthclubs).
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