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Hi-

I am not sure this is the correct forum to post this one, but none of the others seem to fit. I play in 3 bands. Different instruments in all of em.

 

In one band, I play acoustic guitar (2), mandolin, Electric guitar, and keyboards, and am one of the lead singers.

 

I love the band, but hauling all this gear is a bit@#. I don't get out till the drummer does. Clue #1 that I've got too much stuff.

 

What I've done to "simplify" things is I run my keyboard, Mandolin, Acoustic, and Electric direct to a little Behringer mixer in a rack. For the Acoustic and the mandolin, I go wireless (also in the mixer rack). With the Electric, I'm using a floor pedal, no amp and run that direct to the Behringer too. I even out the volumes and have one master fader that I feed to the FOH. This actually works decent. The guitars all sound fine as does the keyboard.

 

So when I come to a gig, I've got my keyboard and stand, a small rack (with the mixer and wireless recievers (2)), my guitars (usually 3 of them), mando, in ear monitors, wireless vocal mic, assorted cables.

 

Basically, I need my own freaking tech! Also, because I'm trying to keep it simple, I'm not using a guitar amp and running direct. Sometimes, sound guys can be late on the draw and if I start a tune and they're not ready, they won't have me up when I start... So there's silence except in my in ears, then the sound guy catches it and turns me up.

 

One thing that would make this easier is some kind of keyboard case that doubles as a stand. Is there such a thing??

 

Is there an easier (less-gear) solution that would allow me to still play all the stuff?

The guitars are all in their own gig bags. would it be easier to have them in some kind of rollable case?

 

Yeah, I know this is weird, but I thought I'd ask.

 

Gracias!

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A KB flight case along with a folding KB stand can take care of the KB.

A Flight style pull over case is what pros use to hold a half dozen guitars.

Piece of small carpet cover plywood is what I use along with a folding KB stand dubs great for a potable table top.

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So Twostone- I've got a keyboard stand a keyboard softcase. Do you know anything where the stand is attached to the KB? I mean, Crap, almost like an ironing board! Something I pull out and the legs just drop out, rather than a separate item that I have to pull out, set up, then lift the kb onto it. I'm looking for anything that'll shorten my time.

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quit your bellyaching, lol. I play two keyboards, keys bass, and bass guitar. I carry one Peavey KB-300 amp, a bass amp head, a 2X10 Hartke bass cab, a Hartke 1508 bass cab, a bass guitar and stand, three keyboards, two keyboard stands, a ten channel Yamaha mixer, a mic stand, two gig bags, a tall stool, and a fan. I run the keys to the mixer panned left. That goes to the KB-300. The keys bass synth and the bass guitar go to the mixer panned right. That out goes to a Sansamp BDDI and to the bass guitar amp rig. The monitor outs go to the PA if needed. It takes 30 to 45 minutes to set it all up. Since we have new PA speakers that can handle it I'm going to start leaving the KB-300 at home and run the keys through the PA.

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quit your bellyaching, lol. I play two keyboards, keys bass, and bass guitar. I carry one Peavey KB-300 amp, a bass amp head, a 2X10 Hartke bass cab, a Hartke 1508 bass cab, a bass guitar and stand, three keyboards, two keyboard stands, a ten channel Yamaha mixer, a mic stand, two gig bags, a tall stool, and a fan. I run the keys to the mixer panned left. That goes to the KB-300. The keys bass synth and the bass guitar go to the mixer panned right. That out goes to a Sansamp BDDI and to the bass guitar amp rig. The monitor outs go to the PA if needed. It takes 30 to 45 minutes to set it all up. Since we have new PA speakers that can handle it I'm going to start leaving the KB-300 at home and run the keys through the PA.

 

:lol: yea I hear you I load in alone so I got to roadie the PA system and LED lighting rig.

My guys have a hours drive away by time they get off work cleaned up and drive up to the club we have just enough of time to get a sound check.

 

Any thing I can put casters on has casters. Cabling is the most time consuming. So any thing I can pre-wire is pre-wired. I also have a custom patch panel so I'm not fumbling around in a dark club cabling up to the rack and mixer.

 

I can load in by myself and have every thing ready to within 45 minutes.

Plus I get extra cash since I have to roadie in alone.

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yeah... I CAN deal with all this stuff, just looking for an easier way of doing it. It'd be awesome to have everything in one rack, just open and go, but then I'd need a truck to haul it in. Yeah, I wasn't bellyaching but all the setup/teardown can take the fun out of playing sometimes, especially if it's a low-dough gig. Just thought I'd ask. :)

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Hi Joshmac- You know, in ONE band they offer. In another they don't. Truth is, I feel guilty having them haul MY stuff so I try not to have them do it. They have their own gear and for me to ask them to carry my gear.... I'd just rather not burden them with it. So I'm just seeing what I can do to make things as quick as I can. I think the Rack with the wireless units makes things much easier for sure. It would be nice to have some kind of all in one keyboard deal rather than a case, then the stand, then all my stringed instruments.

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Do your bandmates not lend a hand with load in/load out?

 

The drummer has enough on his hands to deal with but sometimes the other guys will wheel something in and lift it onto the stage for me. If I get there first I do it all.

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quit your bellyaching, lol. I play two keyboards, keys bass, and bass guitar. I carry one Peavey KB-300 amp, a bass amp head, a 2X10 Hartke bass cab, a Hartke 1508 bass cab, a bass guitar and stand, three keyboards, two keyboard stands, a ten channel Yamaha mixer, a mic stand, two gig bags, a tall stool, and a fan. I run the keys to the mixer panned left. That goes to the KB-300. The keys bass synth and the bass guitar go to the mixer panned right. That out goes to a Sansamp BDDI and to the bass guitar amp rig. The monitor outs go to the PA if needed. It takes 30 to 45 minutes to set it all up. Since we have new PA speakers that can handle it I'm going to start leaving the KB-300 at home and run the keys through the PA.

 

 

You have more keyboards than I do, but I'm hauling Leslies and providing the PA. I allow myself about 3 hours for setup. Equipment weighs up to 1/2 ton.

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You have more keyboards than I do, but I'm hauling Leslies and providing the PA. I allow myself about 3 hours for setup. Equipment weighs up to 1/2 ton.

 

 

Hey WynnD-3 hours for setup. I'd imagine 1 for teardown, loading at home, etc.

If you factor that in with your actual playing, how much would u say you're making an hour? 3 hour setup's a ton of time. I know for local bar shows out here, that wouldn't be worth it money-wise, so you must either really love what you do (not that I don't) or you must be doing some high-paying gigs.

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I can't see it any other way than that the complexity of your rig lies in all the instrument inputs/mixer end of things, and I'd also guess it takes the lion's share of time and attention needed for you to set-up: it seems unlikely to me that a keyboard case-slash-stand would make much impact at all.

 

I mean really, how much time does it take to snap open an x-stand and keyboard case and throw the board on the stand? A minute?

 

I don't know the solution for you, but I would suspect that focusing on simplifying/making that end of things more efficient would be of greater benefit.

 

For starters:

Are you laying out individual instrument and mic cables each time you set up as opposed to a using some sort of cable whip? If you spend a little time, effort & $, you can create a mini 'snake' of sorts for your set up, and depending on how your mixer is racked, you may be able to leave everything on that end plugged in (right angle connectors, possibly?) and just coil/uncoil your whip into/out of the rack each time.

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I can't see it any other way than that the complexity of your rig lies in all the instrument inputs/mixer end of things, and I'd also guess it takes the lion's share of time and attention needed for you to set-up: it seems unlikely to me that a keyboard case-slash-stand would make much impact at all.


I mean really, how much time does it take to snap open an x-stand and keyboard case and throw the board on the stand? A minute?


I don't know the solution for you, but I would suspect that focusing on simplifying/making that end of things more efficient would be of greater benefit.


For starters:

Are you laying out individual instrument and mic cables each time you set up as opposed to a using some sort of cable whip? If you spend a little time, effort & $, you can create a mini 'snake' of sorts for your set up, and depending on how your mixer is racked, you may be able to leave everything on that end plugged in (right angle connectors, possibly?) and just coil/uncoil your whip into/out of the rack each time.

 

 

 

Hi Kmart- This is exactly what I do. The acoustic and the Mandolin are wireless. No cables there. There's a cable to my keyboard, one to my guitar processor, and one to my main output for the snake. Those stay wired and I just pack them in the case, keeping them connected. But I do have to roll those up. It WOULD be nice if there were retractable guitar cables! That'd save me time. you might be right on the Keyboard as it doesn't take a long time to set up. It IS a hassle putting it into it's softcase and hauling that in and out of the building and into the car and out. I've got a cart that I put that, my rack, and a gig case with cables, mics, etc. on. Same with all the guitars. lottsa tuning. Lottsa getting and putting back in to/from the cases.

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You have more keyboards than I do, but I'm hauling Leslies and providing the PA. I allow myself about 3 hours for setup. Equipment weighs up to 1/2 ton.

 

 

Many years ago I hauled a Hammond M-3 and a Fender Rhodes stage piano that went through a 2X15 bass guitar rig. It takes broad shoulders to play keys, lol.

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Many years ago I hauled a Hammond M-3 and a Fender Rhodes stage piano that went through a 2X15 bass guitar rig. It takes broad shoulders to play keys, lol.

 

 

How did the Hemorrhoid surgery go? the price you pay for playing a fender Rhoids. I had a 88 key fender rhodes. never weighted it but i bet it was a 150 pounds.... you prolly used it just to warm up for the hammond load in lol.

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Yeah, I know this is weird, but I thought I'd ask.

Gracias!

 

I'd like to see how this gets resolved.... as the multi instrumentalist you are the piece that turns a good act into a great one.

 

~DOD makes a line mixer "pedal" that is passive, is the size of a Boss pedal, and is not rack mountable. This could be a solution if all you are mixing is volumes, if you need EQ and panning this won't work.

 

~Why is your mando, acoustic, and vocal a wireless? Are you playing at the Enormo-Dome?You could replace all three transmitters, receivers, walwarts, rack space, batteries.... with 2 cords and an XLR

That eliminates the rack.

 

~I once replaced 3 guitars w/ a Line6 Variax (including the acoustic) check it out.

That eliminates 2 other pieces.

 

You're stuck w/ the keys and stand.Sorry.

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Many years ago I hauled a Hammond M-3 and a Fender Rhodes stage piano that went through a 2X15 bass guitar rig. It takes broad shoulders to play keys, lol.

 

 

Yeah, but the set up time was minutes, not hours. No pedals, minimum effects, no DI wiring. No monitors, if you go back far enough.

 

But weight? Yeah! B3, two 122s, VT A7s, Fender Dual Showman . . . .

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I'd like to see how this gets resolved.... as the multi instrumentalist you are the piece that turns a good act into a great one.


~DOD makes a line mixer "pedal" that is passive, is the size of a Boss pedal, and is not rack mountable. This could be a solution if all you are mixing is volumes, if you need EQ and panning this won't work.


~Why is your mando, acoustic, and vocal a wireless? Are you playing at the Enormo-Dome?You could replace all three transmitters, receivers, walwarts, rack space, batteries.... with 2 cords and an XLR

That eliminates the rack.


~I once replaced 3 guitars w/ a Line6 Variax (including the acoustic) check it out.

That eliminates 2 other pieces.


You're stuck w/ the keys and stand.Sorry.

 

 

Hi Jpaul- The vocal is wireless because I'm also the front guy. There are several songs where I actually go out into the audience (this works really well for us, so it's not really something I want to get away from). ALSO- being wireless allows me to use up one vocal channel instead of two. It's a 5 man band with a lot of gear, so the wireless vocal mic lets me use it while I'm playing guitar/mando at the front of the stage and also back at the keyboard. Makes the sound guys job easier for sure. I just have to remember to grab the mic when I move back and forth. When I first started doing this, I'd forget- funny stuff!

 

With the guitars, the wireless was to cut down on setup time and all the chords all over the place. It just got to be such a mess that they were everywhere getting tangled etc. Also, having them go to the mixer with one master out again uses less channels for the PA. Otherwise, I'd be taking up 4-5 channels with just my stuff. We have to use whatever PA we're at the mercy of for outdoor shows and some casinos. Most casinos handle it. Some outdoor shows have less-than-the optimal setup.

 

I thought of just using direct boxes for everything, but again, that's more crap to setup and teardown. With the rack, I have 3 cables out of it. One to the main, one to the keys, one to the guitar processor (ZoomG92tt). Yes, I do kind of need EQ, especially for the mando and acoustic.

 

The variax is something I totally didn't think of. Hmmm. Thanks, I'll look into that. Wow, expensive!

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I, too, feel your pain. I play two keyboards and two guitars. I run them all through a single rack with a mixer that also has a couple of rack synths and my guitar processer. I've got half-a-dozen foot pedals and another foot pedal for running the lights. I recently eliminated the powered speakers I was using by going to IEMs. But you can only condense this stuff so far.

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