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This is not my FB notice but I know the guy that got screwed in this particular instance. Looks like they are getting some good support from other local area bands. Click on the page and voice your support.

 

My band used to play there - but we had to stop because the owner was very hard to deal with. Plus the stage sucked.

 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/nine-8-central/114610041913629#!/event.php?eid=133682816731858&notif_t=event_photo_change

 

This is the same place that hired an 80's hair tribute band called "Gunslinger" and pulled the plug on them halfway through their set because they were not playing Soft Cell and Human League songs.

 

http://wildsmith.blountblogs.com/2010/08/09/irish-times-cant-handle-the-gunslinger/

 

I think that we did three or four shows at that place when we were first starting out - and at the last one - we brought 53 people with us. Aside from the stage being too small. The "dance floor" is about the size of a postage stamp and is located squarely at the confluence of the bar, the kitchen entrance and the hall to the bathrooms. All of my friends were eating and drinking and bobbing their heads to the music - but no one was dancing - because the place is just not conducive to that kind of activity. The owner - litterally was yelling at us while we were playing about no one dancing. Then he would go into his office and come out all jacked up and happy. Then more yelling. No fun.

 

We were warned by another band ahead of our first gig about getting shorted. That never happened to us - but it looks like it may be SOP for that place.

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I read the articles and the FB page. I wanted to pile on the bar... believe me they get the majority of the blame in this situation. The evidence is there, along with other bands, they aren't managing their entertainment very well. They hired Gun*slinger and didn't know they were a glam/sleeze rock band. Another band got shorted and more bands are coming out of the wood work. In our early days I've been in that situation where you don't know what the bar owner wants and your stuck in the middle trying to please him and the audience. These guys seem to be in their early 20's (seem like a good band with a good local following to boot), I'm sure they were ready from song one to put on 'their show'. The same thing they do in every dive bar or nightclub. This place wants to manage their entertainment, song by song, and that's never a good thing. Still... if they plan on putting on a 'show' everyplace they place they need to market themselves as a 'tribute' act. You hire a band and you expect them to pace themselves... you hire an act and you expect a rehearsed 'show'. I think a little of the blame may fall on both parties in that situation. Well, a little on the band, and alot on the bar. ;)

 

As for the fill in getting stiffed... bad news on the part of the bar. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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I especially enjoyed the "rich greaser Republican" comment on the facebook page. This country is going to class warfare "collective" hell. But back to the OP, is it legal for them to have a kid in the band or not? Child entertainment has been going on forever and there's a local band here that had a 12 year old drummer. Years ago if my 15 year old kid helped me with load in and load out was that child labor? The easy solution is to take the number of people in the band and divide the pay by that number. Pay them all minus the share for the kid.

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Owners can be jack asses some times...my old duo played pretty much the same stuff my new one does, acoustic rock...it is clear in our website, set-list, videos, etc that we are not background james taylorish music...an agent books us in a placew called "Blue Eyes" (or something like that) in South Jersey...I call the agent and let her know that I don't think the venue is for us...she says that the owner saw the website and hear the demo and wants us there to play at the bar for a "younger crowd".

 

We get there and it is a beautiful place with a nice bar area with a little stage in the corner, the only problem is that the room is pretty much open into the reastaurant where the not-so-young people are having nice steak dinners and expensive glasses of wine...

 

I call the manager and talk to him about the expectations for the night and he tells me to stay mostly on the Sinatra, doo wop universe...I show him our set list and he is shocked! WHo the hell hired us!? I show him the contract with the owners signature along with my emails back and forth with me voicing my concerns...we go back and forth and he agrees to pay us and gives us a nice steak dinnner as an appology for the night...then the owner shows up...

 

He starts yelling to his manager asking why we are not playing!? Manager explains and the owner comes at me screaming that he will not pay us if we don't play...I explain to him what was going on and inform him that we have already been paid...he blows a gasket and wants to call the cops...I tell him that we have been paid and if he wants us to play we would gladly oblige but I didn't think it was a good idea for his place...he tells us to play! SO we do...2 songs in and he is asking us to stop...we do...we leave...never again...thank god for contracts!

 

BTW...we fired the agent that insisted this was a good gig for us.

 

Rod

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I especially enjoyed the "rich greaser Republican" comment on the facebook page. This country is going to class warfare "collective" hell. But back to the OP, is it legal for them to have a kid in the band or not? Child entertainment has been going on forever and there's a local band here that had a 12 year old drummer. Years ago if my 15 year old kid helped me with load in and load out was that child labor? The easy solution is to take the number of people in the band and divide the pay by that number. Pay them all minus the share for the kid.

 

 

Child labor laws vary by state. Quickly looking up the rules for Tennessee here: http://www.tn.gov/labor-wfd/childlab.html it looks like a 15-year-old can't legally work past 9 pm. I wonder if that applies, exactly, in this situation? Apparently there is an exemption for children employed as musicians: http://www.tn.gov/film/fitlabor.htm

 

Also, sometimes the liquor laws control who can work in a bar. In my town (not in Tennessee), I think you can't work in a bar unless you are 18 or it is the family business, and you can't *be* in a bar unless you are 21 or with your parent or legal guardian. So it's possible there would be a problem there, as well. (I do know that folks looking for band members on Craigslist insist that everyone be 21, probably due to the difficulties of playing in bars if one is below that age.) So maybe there's an issue there, perhaps even some local law that affects the bar in question?

 

That said, it sounds like the kid has been participating in the band in the story without incident elsewhere for some time, so I'm inclined to guess that the kid falls into the music-as-child-labor exception and the bar owner was just being a jerck.

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I especially enjoyed the "rich greaser Republican" comment on the facebook page. This country is going to class warfare "collective" hell. But back to the OP, is it legal for them to have a kid in the band or not? Child entertainment has been going on forever and there's a local band here that had a 12 year old drummer. Years ago if my 15 year old kid helped me with load in and load out was that child labor? The easy solution is to take the number of people in the band and divide the pay by that number. Pay them all minus the share for the kid.

 

I do not honestly know for certain. I met the boy. He and his father happened to be in the audience of a show that my band did last Friday night - before all of this s*@t storm on FB. I noticed him (mostly because the crowd was very light that night) because he was singing along to all the songs (some of them older than a kid his age would typically know). He is a very nice young man who looks his age of 13. My son is newly 14 - and I picked them out to be roughly the same. The boy played for 4 hours - so it should have been no surprise to anyone what was going on.

 

Since TN is such a musical state (with not only Nashville - but Pigeon Forge/Seveirville/Gatlinburg - I would imagine that there are provisions for children to be allowed to perform in certain venues. This particular venue caters to all ages - with no time restrictions.

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I especially enjoyed the "rich greaser Republican" comment on the facebook page. This country is going to class warfare "collective" hell.

 

 

I don't think modern Americans really know what class warfare is. Unless there's something akin to vainqueurs running around with the literal heads of aristocracy on the end of pikes, it's not class warfare. It's simply disagreement as to whether people have the right to say "I got mine, {censored} you" to those who didn't get theirs, and the latter having no recourse.

 

(not to mention that Republicans aren't a social class -- there's far more poor/lower-middle/middle-middle class Republicans who vote against their own interests than there are upper-middle/upper class Republicans voting in their own interest)

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there's far more poor/lower-middle/middle-middle class Republicans who vote against their own interests than there are upper-middle/upper class Republicans voting in their own interest)

My comment was actually a :facepalm: about the clueless who are trying to be hip by piling on the class warfare wagon. I prefer to look above the left vs right fray to try to find a more logical truth and was not looking to discuss politics. You inadvertently joined the group in my :facepalm:

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My comment was actually a
:facepalm:
about the clueless who are trying to be hip by piling on the class warfare wagon. I prefer to look above the left vs right fray to try to find a more logical truth and was not looking to discuss politics. You inadvertently joined the group in my
:facepalm:

 

If you think I'm piling on the "class warfare" bandwagon, you didn't understand my post.

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If you think I'm piling on the "class warfare" bandwagon, you didn't understand my post.

 

half of your post I simply disagreed with and I stand by my original statement, the rest was your own attempt at political comment which I found naive. Please let's move on.

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half of your post I simply disagreed with and I stand by my original statement, the rest was your own attempt at political comment which I found naive. Please let's move on.

 

 

and this concludes our skit on "why congress can't get anything done"

 

tip your waiter

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If there's any semblance of "class warfare" going on, it doesn't exactly take an analytical genius to see which class is winning...

 

We are talking about a country where unless you are on the street everyone else here lives better than 90% of the rest of the world. Now those people who live 90% better than the rest of the world are jealous of the people above them. That's class stupidity.

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We are talking about a country where unless you are on the street everyone else here lives better than 90% of the rest of the world. Now those people who live 90% better than the rest of the world are jealous of the people above them. That's class stupidity.

 

 

Yes, clearly because the US doesn't have the problems of the developing world, everyone should shut up and eat their cake.

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We are talking about a country where unless you are on the street everyone else here lives better than 90% of the rest of the world. Now those people who live 90% better than the rest of the world are jealous of the people above them. That's class stupidity.

 

 

Not to get political, but it seems you're advocating for a position where just because one doesn't have it as bad as say, Calcutta, or anywhere in Somalia, or numerous other locales around the globe, they should be more than happy about their lot in life.

Forget any expectation they may conjure up of having food to eat on a regular basis, or access to basic education or healthcare or numerous other items most would consider basic human rights, but that you seem to consider luxuries.

Screw those greedy people who claim poverty in the US is a tough row to hoe, and while you're at it, screw those who are actually living on the street in the US as well! We all know it's harder elsewhere, so what are they complaining about, am I right, or am I right???

 

Yeah...THAT's your class stupidity right there, sir.

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If you have a roof over your head and food to eat tonight you are rich.

 

 

You're deluded.

 

If you have a roof over your head and food to eat tonight, you're LUCKY, and likely already questioning if you will be in the same situation tomorrow morning, much less tomorrow night.

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Keep screwing around with what got us here and you will be dreaming of cake while you eat your gruel. If I didn't have to live here I'd laugh at what's coming. Hate them, envy them, tear them down, and redistribute it all. In less than one generation you will all share equally in the poverty and the cruel hand of a government that fooled you into dismantling your own constitutional rights so you could stick it to the rich. If you have a roof over your head and food to eat tonight you are rich. Reforms are necessary. I never said they weren't, but what's happening right now will end in Marshall law and a lockdown so hard you won't recognize this country. The government squeezed us hard, took away the money supply, took away middle class wealth in property values, and now they want to incite the people to riot so they can take away our freedom.

 

 

"Martial law". If you're going to be alarmist and irrational, at least do it properly. "The government squeezed us hard, took away the money supply, took away middle class wealth in property values, and now they want to incite the people to riot so they can take away our freedom." If the government took away the money supply, why is everyone complaining about (factually negligible) inflation? If they took away the middle class wealth in property values, why was it private industry that was supplying the loans and re-selling them? *How* exactly is it that the government inciting people to riot? We're getting well into FEMA Death Camps and Lizard Men Conspiring Under the Denver International Airport territory, here.

 

And no it won't. The only thing that is going to happen is that the generation that believes that the mythical quasi-Randian 1950's were the epitome of human civilization will pass away and "making society better for everyone not just people who were born well" (and make no mistake, the vast majority of folks who are in the upper income brackets made money the old fashioned way - inheriting or marrying into it) won't be automatically equated with the Soviet Union.

 

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." Sadly, the folks who can most benefit from (and currently most benefit from, especially in the case of folks who benefit from social security, medicare and medicaid -- all socialist ideas that began in those guilded "olden days") socialist programs are the same ones who vote for folks who publicly want to do away with them. Social safety nets are good. Regulating industry is good. Sure, you can go overboard, but we're well, well away from that point right now. The US has been following a right-leaning, right-wing-led (well, except for the Clinton years) economic system for 30 years, which is why we're here right now (deregulation is very much the cause of the current issues). There's not a single true left-leaning politician running for president, and a precious few in the Congress. I believe it was Tony Blair who, when assessing our political parties, said, "Ah, yes the Republicans. We have a party like them! They're called the Tories. We also have a party like the Democrats. They're called the Tories."

 

The US has slowly trended to the right for the last 30 years, and this is where we've ended up. "Keep screwing with what we've got"? We've been screwing with it since the Reagan years! This is just the point where people finally are realizing that it isn't working. Something is going to happen, alright, but survivalist-type Armageddon isn't it.

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didn't take long for the personal attack, lol, leftists never disappoint me.

 

 

Yeah, calling someone naive is totally value-neutral. Those 4 fingers are pointing right back at you, good sir.

 

 

Sure, blame it all on Reagan and the right wingers, life was pure ecstasy in 1979 with stagflation, pretty much what we have now with rising prices and a stagnant economy, except then at least housing was going up. You are right, only half the government backs the OWS movement.

You might want to kinda brush up on your strawmen arguments, there.

 

Stagflation started due to *Nixon*, first off, in the early 1970s. A long list of that particular President's ills, of course. The curse of "every President is blamed or congratulated for the economy in their term, whether deserved or not" stuck to both Ford and Carter. *After* that, of course, came Reagan.

 

St Reagan, patron of all American Conservatives. Of course, many people forget that Reagan signed off on massive tax increases and ballooned the national debt by a percentage not seen again until George W Bush (no, Obama did not cause that debt -- also, remember, debt and deficits are different things, not synonyms). Of course, this also led to then Vice-President Dick Cheney referencing Reagan when he said that "Reagan showed us that deficits don't matter".

 

President Reagan is also one of those presidents who could never run as a Republican in this decade if one actually looks at his governance record, instead of his popular mythology (he's similar to President Eisenhower, who would be considered socialist in this day and age by most conservatives). Interesting foot note "The Voelker Rule" current endorsed by the Obama Administration was named for Paul Voelker, Reagan's Chairman of the Fed (and advisor now to President Obama). He was the guy who basically laid the plan that stopped stagflation. However, he was let go from the Reagan Administration because he wasn't considered an aggressive enough "deregulator".

 

Of course, the consequence of all that deregulation is what got us into the financial system mess right now. It's been apparent to anyone who is paying attention that the free market is not the answer for all a society's needs (you know, 2008, when de-regulated markets resulted in a world-wide financial panic?). There needs to be rules, and we've made them all go away under the theory that a rising tide lifts all boats.

 

Well, the tide rose, but the folks who rose first (and highest) were the ones to get out to sea before the tide rolled out again. Everyone else got stranded on the beach.

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You are right, only half the government backs the OWS movement.

 

 

Nah, no one currently in office really knows what to do with the OWS movement yet. They're trying to see how it all pans out. Some are trying to figure out how they can co-opt it like they did with the Tea Party.

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At the risk of hijacking the hijack - The original issue at the front of this thread ended up getting solved. Musicians came out of the woodwork and applied pressure to the venue for about a nine day period. Finally the owner met with the offended party - and gave him double the money that they had originally withheld.

 

I still won't play this place - not because of this incident - but for other reasons that popped up when we used to play there last year.

 

Sorry for interrupting the class warfare thingy.

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