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I have the Studio and never thought of getting the rack V-twin. I wonder wether the V-Twin has something that is lacked in the Studio and I can get it to complement the Studio in sound (and vice versa) or I can bravely pass the Twin by.

 

 

Thanks.:wave:

 

p.s. Just wonder, no plans to buy in deed

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If the V-Twin rack pre is essentially the same as the pedal version, then I can't imagine that you'd benefit much from buying one, based on the preamps listed in your sig. Probably a waste of money. I've tried the V-Twin pedal a few times, and it seemed rather muddy with less gain than the Mesa name implies. Between the Studio Pre and the MP-1, I think you have it pretty well covered.

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The V-twin is dark and fat and just like other Mesa's, some patient tweeking is necessary. It's downfall is the amount noticeable gain. With the right guitar, I noticed I could still get a chunky-crunch, BUT with any guitar I found that there is plenty of sustain. The sound is very tight for how thick and dark it is, I didn't find it to be muddy.

 

It has 6 modes and each of them could be very usable, especially the cleans. I haven't tried the pedal, but it's probably the same tone-wise without all of the channel switching options and FX loop options. The rackmount is loaded with features most pre's don't have. I think it definitely has it's own tone and I miss it already for it's clean tones.

 

I only sold mine to pay for a new FX unit.

 

Scott

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if you sold yours then what did you leave?

leave = keep, reserve (just a translation robot fail)

 

The V-Twin pedal has one tube, while the rack unit contains two ones. It is I think verry important for the sound. From what I found, the V-twin pedal has a worse tone than the H&K Tube Factor, but the V-twin rackmound device is better than H&K TubeMan. It's my conclusion after reading a lot of reviews.

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leave = keep, reserve (just a translation robot fail)


The V-Twin pedal has one tube, while the rack unit contains two ones. It is I think verry important for the sound. From what I found, the V-twin pedal has a worse tone than the H&K Tube Factor, but the V-twin rackmound device is better than H&K TubeMan. It's my conclusion after reading a lot of reviews.

 

I have a Randall RM4 and didn't have a need for the V-twin anymore. I needed a FX unit, so I sold the V-twin.

 

Scott

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So it's your actual gear listed as your signature. Yes, with the Randall like this you hardly need the V-twin. Now I guess as the FX you got the Digitech.

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So it's your actual gear listed as your signature. Yes, with the Randall like this you hardly need the V-twin. Now I guess as the FX you got the Digitech.

 

The Digitech was supposed to be used as my clean tones, FX and booster. I think I'm going a different route in getting a separate pre for cleans and another FX unit. The Randall Clean module only sounds good with one of my guitars and I'd also like to get another hi-gain module to put in the Clean modules place. If I got a 2ch pre, then I could have 6 total dedicated tones and I could use my TS-9 as a boost and AC-2 as another clean tone.

 

Sorry for the ramble.

 

Scott

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Mmm... I wonder, is the Randall's Clean as the same as the Egnater's first channel?

Anyway, as far as I know the Randalls box is about $700 and each module is $200, and there are 16 modules altogether, so to place, say, 8 of them it might be needed to buy another box, which is extra $700. The Digitech may be a good decision, but I can't say I like its cleans as I like the cleans in my Egnater ie4 (which is supposedly the Randall's Clean). Actually, I have two 2101 and they have different clean voices despite my exchanging tubes.

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Mmm... I wonder, is the Randall's Clean as the same as the Egnater's first channel?

Anyway, as far as I know the Randalls box is about $700 and each module is $200, and there are 16 modules altogether, so to place, say, 8 of them it might be needed to buy another box, which is extra $700. The Digitech may be a good decision, but I can't say I like its cleans as I like the cleans in my Egnater ie4 (which is supposedly the Randall's Clean). Actually, I have two 2101 and they have different clean voices despite my exchanging tubes.

 

The Randall Clean is not like any Egnater's. It's rather boring sounding and only sounds good with my strat.

 

As for the 2nd preamp-I meant something like a Real Tube II or Boss GL-100. Something cheap, 1u rackspace, and amp style controls opposed to a lotta buttons.

 

Scott

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The V-Twin pedal has one tube, while the rack unit contains two ones.

Nope. You may want to reread your info. The V-Twin Pedal has two 12AX7s just like the rack unit:

http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Out_of%20_Production/V-Twin/v-twin.html

 

And I think that the circuit/sound is basically the same from what I can remember. There may be some minor variation due to the form factor/component differences between the pedal and the rack but, personally, I'd expect them to be inherently the same in nature. There was a "version 2" of the pedal which was to improve/tweak the clean sound primarily. The V2 pedal has two adjustment screws on the bottom.

 

Really, given all your other preamps and the V-Twin's questionable rep, I can't imagine why the heck you would want one unless you're just collecting stuff. If I were you, I'd probably pass on it.

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Really, given all your other preamps and the V-Twin's questionable rep, I can't imagine why the heck you would want one unless you're just collecting stuff. If I were you, I'd probably pass on it.

 

That's what I thought at first, too, but the V-twin definitely has it's own character. The "questionable rep" seems to stem from the lack of high gain. The V-twin has some very usable clean and mid-gain tones, though. The high gain can be boosted. It's one of kind-Love it or Hate it.

 

Scott

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Specialists say that two caps and one resistor, which distinguish the foor and rack versions change the sound drastically. Actually I'm quite satisfied with my mesa studio preamp, it seems it can do everything crunch. And I'm only curious why the v-twin rack is more expensive on the secondary market.

 

I had a RANDALL RG50 TCE. If the Clean module is the same as in that one, then I understand it's really tasteless, despite it's fairly based on two tube stages.

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The Randall Clean is not like any Egnater's. It's rather boring sounding and only sounds good with my strat.


As for the 2nd preamp-I meant something like a Real Tube II or Boss GL-100. Something cheap, 1u rackspace, and amp style controls opposed to a lotta buttons.


Scott

 

I use the Boss GL-100 with my Egnater M4 (and with my RM4's when I had them) and it's the best clean tone I've ever been able to find.

Since the MTS and Egnater stuff never really covered that spanky acoustic like territory that I wanted; the GL-100 is awesome for it.

The Randall Clean module is basically just that. A clean module...sort of like plugging your guitar directly into a power amp, but having a bass/mid/high EQ section to shape with a little. Good module if that's what you want, especially if you're using effects on that channel, but as a stand alone module, it's very utilitarian.

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I use the Boss GL-100 with my Egnater M4 (and with my RM4's when I had them) and it's the best clean tone I've ever been able to find.

Since the MTS and Egnater stuff never really covered that spanky acoustic like territory that I wanted; the GL-100 is awesome for it.

The Randall Clean module is basically just that. A clean module...sort of like plugging your guitar directly into a power amp, but having a bass/mid/high EQ section to shape with a little. Good module if that's what you want, especially if you're using effects on that channel, but as a stand alone module, it's very utilitarian.

 

Exactamundo!

 

How does the high gain sound on the GL-100? I've read in the past how you really like the clean channel, so I'm gonna try to check that out when becomes available.

 

Scott

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The high gain channels sound like any of the Boss distortion pedals really.

It's very tweakable so you can get the full range of gains out of it...if you know what you're doing...I guess they'd be ok for some stuff, but you'd have to be going for that sort of tone to appreciate it I think.

 

The high gain tones from my M4 are god like, so there's no need for using the high gain channels of the GL-100. I have 'em if I want 'em, but never use them. The clean on the other hand is the only clean that I've truly loved.

The only other clean tone that I really liked as much, but still wasn't the same spanky acousticy clean was the clean that was in my Engl Powerball.

I thought that was an awesome clean tone as well. Everything else has just been clean as in a tone without distortion...nothing that would inspire you to want to sit and play thru it because you truly enjoyed the tone.

 

Exactamundo!


How does the high gain sound on the GL-100? I've read in the past how you really like the clean channel, so I'm gonna try to check that out when becomes available.


Scott

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The high gain channels sound like any of the Boss distortion pedals really.

It's very tweakable so you can get the full range of gains out of it...if you know what you're doing...I guess they'd be ok for some stuff, but you'd have to be going for that sort of tone to appreciate it I think.

 

I figured as much. I want a Top Boost to round out my RM4.

 

Scott

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That's what I thought at first, too, but the V-twin definitely has it's own character. The "questionable rep" seems to stem from the lack of high gain. The V-twin has some very usable clean and mid-gain tones, though. The high gain can be boosted. It's one of kind-Love it or Hate it.


Scott

 

That's cool to know. I'm sure a lot of people bought it expecting a rectifier in a box. Since it is supposed to be a true preamp, the pedal version may be hard for some people to setup correctly, too, because they probably try to run it in series with another preamp. This preamp into preamp config isn't necessarily unworkable (in fact it can sound great) but it takes some care/understanding to setup.

 

I looked into them at one point but two things put me off that came up consistently:

 

1. Comparatively low gain on tap for a Boogie product (but like you say this does not mean it may be usable for something else). I was hoping for more of a heavy distortion since it was a "mesa preamp" and I would probably try to use it for metal/heavy rock.

 

2. It seems to be described as "dark" all the time. Which is not my thing. I need a some significant presence and even sometimes some sizzle from a preamp to be happy with it.

 

Dunno if this is true for the rack unit, since it sounds like they do vary a bit in sound based on separanet's research. Also, separanet's probably got his heavy sounds covered. ;)

 

I looked into the Mesa Studio at one point and really GASsed for it at one point. IMHO that's an impressive unit. (In spite of that GAS, I then ended up getting a Piranha when it was all said and done since it would fit my needs even better... ) So, I guess since separanets has BOTH of those units, that's another reason why a V-Twin doesn't seem to break new ground in my mind. But hey, I'm interested in hearing more about it too. A lot of times reviews and existing "reps" don't mean much when the rubber hits the road! :)

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That's cool to know. I'm sure a lot of people bought it expecting a rectifier in a box. Since it is supposed to be a true preamp, the pedal version may be hard for some people to setup correctly, too, because they probably try to run it in series with another preamp. This preamp into preamp config isn't necessarily unworkable (in fact it can sound great) but it takes some care/understanding to setup.


I looked into them at one point but two things put me off that came up consistently:


1. Comparatively low gain on tap for a Boogie product (but like you say this does not mean it may be usable for something else). I was hoping for more of a heavy distortion since it was a "mesa preamp" and I would probably try to use it for metal/heavy rock.


2. It seems to be described as "dark" all the time. Which is not my thing. I need a some significant presence and even sometimes some sizzle from a preamp to be happy with it.

 

The V-twin did actually come from the early Dual Rectifier days. The DR's eq is a bit different and now the Rectifiers have more gain, hair, snarl, etc. The V-twin may be "dark", but it does have presence and lacks crispies. I used to use my TS-9 in front of it and it rocked.

 

I think the amazing thing about it is that it's so thick and dark while retaining clarity, even with the gain dimed. If I had the extra money for a FX unit I wouldn't have sold it and I'd use it as my Clean and Mid-gain tones.

 

Scott

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I think the amazing thing about it is that it's so thick and dark while retaining clarity, even with the gain dimed. If I had the extra money for a FX unit I wouldn't have sold it and I'd use it as my Clean and Mid-gain tones.

 

Now you're making me want to check one out! :mad::thu:

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I have both the pedal and rackmount versions.

Clean and blues tones sound amazing on either when used as a preamp. The FX loop in the rackmount version is also amazing! 

Largely underrated! 

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