Members jrm27 Posted August 6, 2008 Members Share Posted August 6, 2008 Hello folks. So, I'm trying to work through a bit of a quandry. Our band is converting over to IEM's and one of the things we are trying to deal with is overcoming the communication problem that extreme isolation brings. Currently we are using some older Sennheiser units (ew300, not the G2 units) that work fantastically. I was noticing that the SHURE Psm400 has a spot for an additional lav mic to help aid with ambient noise. Since our Sennheiser units don't have that I went looking at Shure's "Push-to-Hear" add on. Since it sits in-line with the IEM cables, I'm figuring we should be able to use it with our custom molds. I figured it I could just keep that button pressed down the whole time, we might be able to get the ambient benefit with our ears. Has anyone ever used this sytem? What are your thoughts on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members milesdf Posted August 6, 2008 Members Share Posted August 6, 2008 Why not just put an ambiance mic on stage? Some sort of cheap condensor might work great. Just put it in your monitor mixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 6, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 Hello folks. So, I'm trying to work through a bit of a quandry. Our band is converting over to IEM's and one of the things we are trying to deal with is overcoming the communication problem that extreme isolation brings. Currently we are using some older Sennheiser units (ew300, not the G2 units) that work fantastically.I was noticing that the SHURE Psm400 has a spot for an additional lav mic to help aid with ambient noise. Since our Sennheiser units don't have that I went looking at Shure's "Push-to-Hear" add on. Since it sits in-line with the IEM cables, I'm figuring we should be able to use it with our custom molds. I figured it I could just keep that button pressed down the whole time, we might be able to get the ambient benefit with our ears. Has anyone ever used this sytem?What are your thoughts on it? Actually the PSM-400 bodypack doesn't have a lavalier input. The PSM-200 does (it's actually the jack used for wired operation). The first page of the PTH user guides states: "Only for use between headphone jacks and earphones to interrupt the sound source for very brief conversation." Sounds like it ducks the sound source when you're using it to hear conversations. If so, it's a non-starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted August 7, 2008 Members Share Posted August 7, 2008 The PSM200 and ambient kit are awesome. We did the ambient mic on stage but we still could only hear what was happening at the mic. We were constantly removing one ear to hear people talking to us (requests, etc...) during the show. The Shure kit allows us to hear people talking direct to us. With my custom molded E5s and the ambient kit, I never have to take the in ears out and I have no problem communicating with the people around me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrActical_AV Posted August 7, 2008 Members Share Posted August 7, 2008 Sounds like it ducks the sound source when you're using it to hear conversations. If so, it's a non-starter. Craigv is right. I have the Shure PTH connected to some Westone UM2's. The PTH allows for you to hear without constantly taking out the earphones. When you press the PTH button, it allows you to hear what's in close proximity of you, but still slightly hear what's going on in your IEM mix. Release the button an your back to regular volume of your IEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 7, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted August 7, 2008 Craigv is right. I have the Shure PTH connected to some Westone UM2's. The PTH allows for you to hear without constantly taking out the earphones. When you press the PTH button, it allows you to hear what's in close proximity of you, but still slightly hear what's going on in your IEM mix. Release the button an your back to regular volume of your IEM. Yeah, I found more....it ducks the sound source 40dB. You can't use it as an ambiance mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrm27 Posted August 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 7, 2008 Hmmm..... well bummer! Sounds like it could have been cool except for the attenuation factor! Oh well. Any ideas on how to get around this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrActical_AV Posted August 7, 2008 Members Share Posted August 7, 2008 The above options using ambient mics and running it into your IEM's mix is a partial solution, but you're going to want to have some type of control over them. Once the band starts playing, your ambient mics are going to pic up everything on stage and you're not going to be able to tell what's ambient vs. in ear mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrm27 Posted August 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 7, 2008 Yeah, I imagine I'd need to use some sort of compressor turned up really high for that type of solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 7, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted August 7, 2008 Shure had an ambient kit for the PSM-200 products. I've looked today and can't find it, so it may have been dropped. BUt Radio Shack sells an inexpensive lavalier that will work. It has a hi-low volume control only, but you simply plug it into the PSM200 bodypack jack, and it will work along with the wireless signal. This is possibly the only bodypack made that has this dual wired/wireless capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted August 8, 2008 Members Share Posted August 8, 2008 They still have the kits at Sweetwater but they are hard to find. The advantage of the Shure mic is the full volume control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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