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My band is getting closer to setting up our own monitor system that we can take with us from gig to gig. Currently, 3 of us use IEMs and the other 2 guys use traditional wedges.

 

Here's what we want to be able to do...

 

5 seperate mixes...one for each guy. All instruments/vocals adjustable for everyone.

 

Right now we have the following instruments/vocals that need to be in monitors:

 

Lead vocal (wireless)

lead singer acoustic

lead guitar vocal

lead guitar talkbox

lead guitar acoustic

lead guitar vocal

lead guitar amp

bass guitar

keyboard

keyboard vocal

5-8 piece drum kit (drums will most likely only need a little kick and snare in monitors)

 

I think that is everything. We do have some equipment to get started. i'm waiting on a list to see exactly what we have. I think we have a 16 channel board but not sure how many monitor sends it has yet. We have a couple of power amps, as well as compressors, eqs, etc...

 

What I'm looking for is info on how to set all of this up correctly in order for it to work for us. We don't want to rely on house monitor systems anymore (other than the casinos and bigger venues that we play).

 

Thanks in advance

 

edit: I also want to add that the IEM systems will most likely NOT be housed in the same rack case as we all use ours for our other projects.

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Easy to do if you have a board with 5 available auxes. The Mixwiz is a great choice and offers up to 6 auxes. Each aux should have it's own sub mixer that allows each person to decide what and how much he wants to hear from each channel. We do this on a smaller scale since we are a three piece. We use auxes 1,2 3 for our in ears, aux 4 is for a sidefill (rarely used) and auxes 5 and 6 are used for FX. Works great for our needs.

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Besides the pre-fader sends you can also use the main outs of a mixer as an additional stereo monitor mix. You'll need a splitter for the signals also. A cheap "poorman's splitter" would work in most places:

http://www.audiopile.net/products/Stagelink_snakes/Poorman_splitter_snakes/PSX-S_poorman_spliter_snakes_cutsheet.shtml

but if you have hum or buzzing you'd be screwed.

Three of these:

http://www.audiopile.net/products/Electronics/MST-412_rack_splitter/MST-412_cutsheet.shtml

will give you 12 channels of isolated splits w/ ground lifts but you'd also need a 12 channel patch snake to feed it into the house snake, another 12 channel patch snake to feed your monitor board, and possibly a 12 channel stage snake to be able to put the inputs over by the house inputs or elsewhere on the stage. You could also mount the splitters in a box you can put on-stage if there is always room for it?

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If you are saying that you want to walk into a bar, tell the tech that you've brought your own monitor system, AND that he has to patch you in, I suspect you might be dreaming.

 

Most techs I know would tell you to go home - actually they wouldn't be that polite:)

 

As far as I can see, you are going to need a splitter and a board OR a monitor splitter board - Allen and Heath makes one. I guess if you guys are *really* in demand, the club owner might make their house engineers hook you up, but then you've got a house tech with an attitude!

 

It's a fair difference hooking up some IEM's to available house sends versus repatching your whole snake and/or routing - and dealing with the hum, mis-patches and so on.

 

Just my 3 cents (Cdn.).

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If you are saying that you want to walk into a bar, tell the tech that you've brought your own monitor system, AND that he has to patch you in, I suspect you might be dreaming.


Most techs I know would tell you to go home - actually they wouldn't be that polite:)


As far as I can see, you are going to need a splitter and a board OR a monitor splitter board - Allen and Heath makes one. I guess if you guys are *really* in demand, the club owner might make their house engineers hook you up, but then you've got a house tech with an attitude!


It's a fair difference hooking up some IEM's to available house sends versus repatching your whole snake and/or routing - and dealing with the hum, mis-patches and so on.


Just my 3 cents (Cdn.).

 

This is why we use contracts for all performances...no surprises for anyone. ;)

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This is why we use contracts for all performances...no surprises for anyone.
;)

 

Cool. If you guys have the juice to get your needs met, more power to you.

 

So... if you can indeed pull this off, and you want to have your own monitor system, then I would suggest the Allen & Heath monitor/splitter board. They have one at a club where I play. It works seven days a week and there haven't been any issues while I've been there. But, they ain't cheap.

 

You would also need a short snake, or enough separate mic lines to patch into the club's snake. A short snake would be much more professional, and provide a much cleaner stage.

 

Don't know whether you'd need a few isolation transformers just in case.

 

And yes, as mentioned someone running the board, if you weren't able to do so yourselves.

 

And a bottle of scotch for the grumbling HE. As I said, that's potentially a fair bit of extra work, I'd grumble too:)

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Sorry. I didn't realize that you were asking about a dedicated monitor world next to the stage. A&H makes a MixwizM that is dedicated for monitor duty. Definitely a good place to start. Good luck with the contract thing. We use contracts and seems like we always have to do some last minute horse trading to get the show off the ground. That piece of paper might not mean as much to the sound tech and club as it does to the band. All the lazy sound tech has to say is that he doesn't have the capability to feed your monitor world and you will have to decide if the breach is worth losing the show and the possibility of future bookings. We learned a long time ago that contracts between bar owners and bands are really just guidelines. Early on we decided that we weren't going to take it and we walked away from a gig because of the breach. Long story short, we had a bunch of pissed off friends that wanted to see us that night and we were never booked there again. We did sue the establishment and we won. This was in 1987 and we have not seen a cent of the $1500 the judge awarded us (partially because the bar didn't respond to the summons and did a no show in court). He even said "good luck getting the money" when our case ended. So I have a nice piece of paper signed by a DuPage County judge but it isn't quite worth the $1500 or the lost bookings that the problem caused.

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