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Gibson Les Paul Custom 1981 fake?


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I was looking for a good custom from the 80s a few weeks ago, the opportunity presented itself for about 2800 dollars although I can not find the serial number recorded in the records of those years, not if it is because of the record of guitars that brought the coa and from from there the serial numbers of this particular guitar began to be recorded (81311551), it also made me doubt the 3-piece finish of the neck and I haven't seen a custom one like this, apart from being repainted, someone knows if the gold finish is the same as the black of those years? By the way it seems that a crack begins to appear on the fingerboard, I don't know if it will damage the entire neck later.
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I have a 1982 Les Paul Standard. It's in way better shape than that one. 

I'm not sure about the serial number, but it looks ok.

The also covered the pots with a metal cap just like that one, on my 82 standard. I should have come in the Chainsaw fat case, with the metal hinges.

Mine is weird, as it's a Standard and has a Maple 3 piece neck. I bought mine new from a  local Gibson dealer in my old hometown.

You might want to call Gibson. My Goldtop also have  a lot of silver in the paint, I have tuners that are different and say Gibson on them.

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Personally I would have just purchased a new Les Paul. Gibson's making some really nice stuff right now. 

May call Gibson or email about the serial number.

 

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81311551

Built May 11th, 1981 in Nashville...brown Gibson case with pink lining?

The pattern is as follows: YDDDYRRR where YY=production year, DDD=day of the year, RRR=factory.

Before 1984 [when Kalamazoo closed],  001-499=Kalamazoo, 500-999=Nashville [through 1989, then they went to 9 digits]

That is a 'later' Norlin-era Lester, so at least the s/n is traceable. I have not noticed the 'defined' striping on the back of the headstock on any other 'goldies', but the 3 piece neck is normal for that era, as is the slab and cap body [non-pancake].

Here is a pristine example [the price seems high though, IMHO], but it looks to be a Kalamazoo built, not Nashville...which could explain the striping:idk:

I believe the truss rod cover is not original, as it possibly should say 'deluxe', not 'custom'....Why? Mainly because of the tuners, although the p-ups would be mini-hums on a deluxe of that era, IIRC. Is it possible the p-ups were changed to 'classics'? That was a common 'upgrade' done to Deluxes in the 80s...[one I do not agree with, btw.]

Because production was still split between the two facilities, it makes these small details a bit trickier to define.  Plus I can't find my copy of Tony Bacon's '50 years of Les Pauls' book ATM...

have you checked the pot code dates, etc?

Are the back cover plates missing, or just removed?

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The headstock logo looks funky as all hell, being set at the wrong angle to my eyes. Nut also looks wrong, AND no nibs on frets. My old 81 custom also had a 3 piece neck, but in no way as defined. (That looks to be a 5 piece one.) A gold top custom? Never saw one, so it make me VERY suspicious of a refin at the least. I would avoid it like the corona plague it looks to be. There are SO many other, better, examples out there.

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I am adding to my earlier statement. Look at the headstock picture from the OP, and the pristine one that daddymack shows. Look at the "S" and the "N". Almost completely different creatures. I stand by my original statement of avoiding.

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6 hours ago, badpenguin said:

The headstock logo looks funky as all hell, being set at the wrong angle to my eyes. Nut also looks wrong, AND no nibs on frets. My old 81 custom also had a 3 piece neck, but in no way as defined. (That looks to be a 5 piece one.) A gold top custom? Never saw one, so it make me VERY suspicious of a refin at the least. I would avoid it like the corona plague it looks to be. There are SO many other, better, examples out there.

Yeah, I was not thrilled with the Gibson logo, either, but I chalked that up to early Nashville workmanship...I thought the OP said he had a COA for the guitar....also the pickguard is missing, but the body binding looks correct. I would have to say the crack in the fretboard is not good, and that does not look like ebony, too much grain. It is possible that it was refretted, so, yes, there are several things on that guitar that look 'unoriginal' and questionable.

Goldie Customs did exist in that era, I have seen one or two [I have an '81 Black Beauty, from Kalamazoo, which to me is what a custom should be :cool3: ]

All things considered, what really matters is how it plays, how it sounds and if it makes the new owner happy. Since the OP has not been back to comment, there isn't much more to be done ...

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13 hours ago, DeepEnd said:

I don't know much about vintage Gibsons but is anyone else bothered by the shape of the position markers? Shouldn't they be trapezoids?

Customs are large block inlays. Standards are Trapezoids. 

Here's what was available in 1981 for Les Paul Customs.

No metallic goldtop

 

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I bought my Gibson Les Paul Goldtop from a small dealer in my hometown  that sold guitars out if his 2 car garage.  Fender, Gibson, Rickenbacker, Marshall, Ampeg and many other big names of the day.

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Other Gibson guitars available in 1981/1982

 

https://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/gibson/catalogues/1981_Rosetti_index.php

 

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Is there any way you can get some better pics at some straight-on angles? There's some funky angles going on there and the resolution and focus make me feel like the pics were taken with one of those cameras with a cube flash on top.

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15 hours ago, mrbrown49 said:

Looking at those pics again, why does the first fret inlay look so far off center?

All the inlays are kinda off, aren't they?

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Nothing better to blow your $3K on?

That guitar is a mess. Sparkly paint job up over the bindings just for starters. Headstock is short, logo too close to the G tuning post. 6 piece neck with exaggerated laminations. The off-center inlays, not even Gibson on an IDGAF day was ever that bad. I honestly think it is somebody's Chinese fantasy piece, not the real thing but regardless, even if it's a real one, it's a really bad real one

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On 7/27/2020 at 9:56 PM, mrbrown49 said:

Looking at those pics again, why does the first fret inlay look so far off center?

It was probably getting close to a cigarette break time on the line.:lol:

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