Members blunt_force Posted January 2, 2020 Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 Hi all, So finally I settled with Floyed Bridge Jackson guitar and I love it. However, tuning Floyed Bridge is a total PAIN!! Now, I'm trying to learn a song with D Standard but I noticed the High E is now touching the pickup!!! I watched many YouTube videos and they suggested that I tune the guitar in this order with fine tuners in the middle Low E (little sharp), High E, B, A, G, D I did not want to do anything before I know what has happened, How to remedy? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bildo Posted January 2, 2020 Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 Your floyd is on a balance between your strings tension and the trems springs tension adjusted by the claw. When setup in E STD. and all is balanced. You cannot drop to D STD. . It is not possible. Your springs win then and pulls the bridge back and the saddles can go low then as it goes back(your e string touching the pup). So that big of a tuning change on a floater is just not possible. It takes a spring claw adjustment. Do you have transcribe or something that will change the pitch of the song you are learning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badpenguin Posted January 2, 2020 Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 Let me give you a translation of the above. A lower tuning means less string tension. Your Floyd needs to be set up for the different tuning, which means adjusting the springs in the body. Loosen the screws holding the claw, while the guitar is in D tuning, then retune. Retune again, making sure the Floyd stays in the proper position, then, yes you know what you are going to do, retune. Your Floyd base should be parallel to the top of the guitar. There, you have it. Now the issue is, next time you go into standard tuning, you have to redo everything. Might be easier to have another guitar, set for D tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blunt_force Posted January 2, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, bildo said: Your floyd is on a balance between your strings tension and the trems springs tension adjusted by the claw. When setup in E STD. and all is balanced. You cannot drop to D STD. . It is not possible. Your springs win then and pulls the bridge back and the saddles can go low then as it goes back(your e string touching the pup). So that big of a tuning change on a floater is just not possible. It takes a spring claw adjustment. Do you have transcribe or something that will change the pitch of the song you are learning? Is the transcribe software or a hardware? Can you recommend one? I would rather use your method than what badpenguin suggested below. What a disappointment the floyed Rose Bridge is!! Thank you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blunt_force Posted January 2, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 27 minutes ago, badpenguin said: Let me give you a translation of the above. A lower tuning means less string tension. Your Floyd needs to be set up for the different tuning, which means adjusting the springs in the body. Loosen the screws holding the claw, while the guitar is in D tuning, then retune. Retune again, making sure the Floyd stays in the proper position, then, yes you know what you are going to do, retune. Your Floyd base should be parallel to the top of the guitar. There, you have it. Now the issue is, next time you go into standard tuning, you have to redo everything. Might be easier to have another guitar, set for D tuning. wow!! Everyday I play a different song, [E] [D] Standard and I don't feel comfortable and confident doing such complex surgery inside the belly of the guitar. I did however watch others doing on YouTube. It looked straight forward but I'm not taking any risks. Thank you for your suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted January 2, 2020 Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 !Transcribe is software. I use it. It's amazing stuff. The exclamation in front is so you can find it in a search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bildo Posted January 2, 2020 Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 8 hours ago, blunt_force said: Is the transcribe software or a hardware? Can you recommend one? I would rather use your method than what badpenguin suggested below. What a disappointment the floyed Rose Bridge is!! Thank you.... Here ya go blunt. https://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/overview.html It is software. Don't be disappointed with the floyd. Just part of a floating trem and all have that issue. You could look into a tremsetter https://hipshotproducts.com/products/tremsetter I use them and they work great. You can dial it in so you can go back and forth. It does change the feel of the trem and you have a center detent to get used to. Try transcribe for your learning. It is good for standard tuning too! you can loop and slow down without pitch change...all kinds of good things for learning songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted January 2, 2020 Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 8 hours ago, blunt_force said: wow!! Everyday I play a different song, [E] [D] Standard and I don't feel comfortable and confident doing such complex surgery inside the belly of the guitar. I did however watch others doing on YouTube. It looked straight forward but I'm not taking any risks. Thank you for your suggestion. Complex surgery? Its just a few screws and springs. Guitars are really simple machines and you really have to work to screw one up permanently. Watch a few vids, ask some questions here and get tweaking. You can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jtr654 Posted January 2, 2020 Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 You should use a fix bridge for drop tuning. Use a different guitar for drop D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blunt_force Posted January 2, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 2, 2020 Thank you all for the suggestions. My guitar is being serviced at the GC. In the interim, I found this pedal and I asked GC staff and they confirmed the pedal can down tune the guitar to D Standard. https://www.digitech.com/whammy-pitch/The+Drop.html The Drop Polyphonic Drop Tune Pedal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blunt_force Posted January 3, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 3, 2020 14 hours ago, bildo said: Here ya go blunt. https://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/overview.html It is software. Don't be disappointed with the floyd. Just part of a floating trem and all have that issue. You could look into a tremsetter https://hipshotproducts.com/products/tremsetter I use them and they work great. You can dial it in so you can go back and forth. It does change the feel of the trem and you have a center detent to get used to. Try transcribe for your learning. It is good for standard tuning too! you can loop and slow down without pitch change...all kinds of good things for learning songs. I like the Tremsetter solution but the caveat is I would lose the whammy bar function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bildo Posted January 3, 2020 Members Share Posted January 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, blunt_force said: I like the Tremsetter solution but the caveat is I would lose the whammy bar function. No you will not. Once you dial in the wheels on the back. You will still have trem action both ways. You will just feel a definite stop at center. You will learn to either go down from that stop on your bar drops, and up for rises from that center. You will lose that both sides of center wiggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted January 3, 2020 Members Share Posted January 3, 2020 Why there are no worm drive whammys has escaped me for years if not decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted January 3, 2020 Members Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, bildo said: You will lose that both sides of center wiggle. That's the best part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bildo Posted January 3, 2020 Members Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 hours ago, mrbrown49 said: That's the best part! I know. We can't always get what we want...but, if we try sometimes...we get what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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