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Looking at starting a church, I have everything except amps and speakers for FOH. I want passive speakers and looking at what I consider solid entry lvl system for the moment. So far I am looking at a 12" and sub on each side.

Tell me what you think.

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how deep a space?

 

how wide a spread?

 

how high are you planning on having the speakers? f

 

lown, stacked or on poles?

 

budget?

 

what amps?

 

clubs are the lowest form of speaker i would buy myself, and i have several. i also use much better speakers.

 

dont ever drop them.

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I dont have room specs, since I havent started the church yet. It will be most likely a room that maxes out at 100 people. They will be on stands or on poled on subs. Cant say until then. I am used to higher end equip, but I cant take someone else's toys with me. I will get amps that will match the speakers I buy, but first the speakers.

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I'd say yes as monitors or mains, subs, not so much as they tend to develop rattles. The construction isn't the greatest and they don't like to get wet as they aren't really wood and will tend to swell and will crush or crack if dropped. That's the negatives. They actually sound good for their price point and since they'll presumably not be transported much the negatives aren't really an issue.

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i ask room size because these things really dont throw 100' worth a darn. maybe 50'.

 

they arent bad speakers, they do sound ok, and i have bought them and will likely buy them again. but they arent great speakers.

 

and you cant drop them unless you have a woodshop and about 15 hours per cab.

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These wont be moved around much. I have heard that they are particle board basically and cabs can be crunched if dropped. Is there any other speaker anyone can come up that will match the sound of these for $500 or less per speaker? JBL, Community, Yorkville, B52, Ev, Mackie, etc

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i actually like the 15" better than the 12", but this is personal preference. others have a different opinion.

 

unless you can buy used, you pretty much cant beat these pricewise.

 

i also would not buy the yamaha subs. they dont seem to hold up well.

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i also would not buy the yamaha subs. they dont seem to hold up well.

 

 

Yeah I'd at least swap the subs for Peavey SP118s. They're gonna cost a little more, but you are getting real plywood cabs and much more robust drivers.

 

Don't be afraid of using different manus for tops and subs if you are going passive.

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Yeah I'd at least swap the subs for Peavey SP118s. They're gonna cost a little more, but you are getting real plywood cabs and much more robust drivers.


Don't be afraid of using different manus for tops and subs if you are going passive.

 

 

yep. i have peavey subs under a set of yamahas. those peaveys are well built boxes, and only 105#

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You may want to consider powered speakers if you've not purchased anything at all yet.

 

 

I agree - powered/active speakers really are a good deal when you consider you're getting a great sounding speaker, fairly lightweight, that is perfectly tuned/matched up to a bi-amplified power source, right at the manufacturer. You'd figure close to $1,500 for two passives and a a power amp. right? - - (a power amp that you hope is matched right to the speaker cabs...) A pair of QSC K12's runs about $1,600 and sounds great.

 

The newer active cabs like the K12's have a built-in crossover and EQ settings, so a simple mixer is all you need to match up w/them - you can always add powered subs later.

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I also like the Yamahas, as the entry level speaker that actually sounds musical. We also own them - including a pair I got cheap due to some repairable fractures in the cabinets.

 

Following up on the good suggestion for powered speakers, the JBL PRX 512 over PRX 518 would make a good powered speaker set - and a notable step up. (good name bling too, if that matters, and good resale) When you figure they include amps, crossovers, easy setup and less cables required, the pricing should be in your budget. These are also getting replaced - look for good deals.

 

Powered speakers are also ruggedly simple and easy setup, self protecting, etc, which becomes especially important when they may get used with a variety of operators.

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I gotta ask, is it for a full band? Speech only? Are subs even needed? Even with poles they don't get that high up in the air for 100' back. I'd say get teh install version (C112V's) that have a better painted finish and fly points. This all of course is little stuff compared to starting a church. I may start one that worships me, mostly for the tax breaks. and the free coffee. and the chicks. cuz crazy chicks that would worship me would be hot. er hawt.

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well since it's already been mentioned a bit why not go with the Peavey SP series? yes it would push the budget just a bit but not by much at all if you shop it right. plus you may be able to find some used. mine (sp2 over sp118) ended up being 250/box for the whole set.

 

really though if you are also needing amps you might as well go with some active speakers. just buy one stack for now if you have to and get the other one in a couple of months

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Yes, Peavey SP/Impulse would be a significant step up.

 

 

Big +1 to this, but both the Clubs and the SP series are very heavy. A Peavey Impulse 1012 or 1015 would be lighter and is designed to be safely flown.

 

 

The Peavey PR/PV series are about the equal of the Yamaha club series and the plastic PR series is significantly lighter and more durable IMO.

 

 

Um, no. I have had both and the Yamaha series IV and V Clubs are much better than the PV and PR series by any measure but weight, in which case the PRs come out ahead. The PR series has a great bang/buck ratio and I have a pair, but the PV series may actually sound as bad or worse than JRX cabs!

 

To the OP:

 

This has been the best advice yet:

 

 

...the JBL PRX 512 over PRX 518 would make a good powered speaker set - and a notable step up...

 

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Big +1 to this, but both the Clubs and the SP series are very heavy. A Peavey Impulse 1012 or 1015 would be lighter and is designed to be safely flown.

Yes, I have a pair of 1012's that sound great :) .

Um, no. I have had both and the Yamaha series IV and V Clubs are much better than the PV and PR series by any measure but weight, in which case the PRs come out ahead. The PR series has a great bang/buck ratio and I have a pair, but the PV series may actually sound as bad or worse than JRX cabs!

The PR and PV use identical components. I've only really compared PR to Club III and they seemed pretty much comparable. The PR10's I have sound great - I've heard the PR15's are "not so much". I also have a pair of the PR12D actives and the superior crossover slopes and processing gets them close to Impulse sound quality.The crossovers in the PR/PV passives are pretty primitive...

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IMHO, only the IV and V series Clubs are worth having. As I recall, the series III would be pretty analogous to the PV/PR line.

 

That said, I have had and used the Club IVs and Vs and love them! Excellent bang/buck ratio, for certain. Rugged, sound pretty good, etc., but heavy. I finally retired mine in favor of QSC HPR122is.

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i also would not buy the yamaha subs. they dont seem to hold up well.

 

Thanks for the notice, maybe I should start treating mine better ;)

 

so far so good, two years worth and still performing well...

 

But if I had to buy again I'd probably go with something powered, PRX... etc

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