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...in Toronto. This is the second in Toronto in less than a year. [url]http://api.edweek.org/v1/blogs/62/%3Fuuid%3D74022[/url] It seems that Canada's approach to gun laws doesn't prevent mass shootings.

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...in Toronto. This is the second in Toronto in less than a year.

 

http://api.edweek.org/v1/blogs/62/%3Fuuid%3D74022

 

It seems that Canada's approach to gun laws doesn't prevent mass shootings.

 

Please tell us-

Exactly what does prevent mass shootings?

The good-guy-with-the-gun doesn't seem to be working super well here in the states. Lord knows, we have a lot of good guys with guns here.

Let's use a wee bit of common sense to examine the numbers.

A total of 115 mass shooting incidents have occurred thus far in 2019 in the US as of May 7.

Allowing for the difference in population between the US & Canada (a factor of 10) we win!

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...in Toronto. This is the second in Toronto in less than a year.

 

http://api.edweek.org/v1/blogs/62/%3Fuuid%3D74022

 

It seems that Canada's approach to gun laws doesn't prevent mass shootings.

 

If you look at the numbers, mass shootings in Canada are quite rare. Much more rare than in the US. You're a numbers guy.

 

Remember this post in the thread about the church pastor calling for homosexuals to be executed?

 

 

Nah, it's quite rare. Your list is less than 2 per year in a nation of 325 million people and over 300,000 churches - and at least one of those links has exactly nothing to do with any church or pastor, and there is no mention of religion - or even sexual preference - at all.

 

I think it's safe to say that this qualifies as "rare".

 

Canada has a population of 37 million. I think it's safe to say that this qualifies as "rare".

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...in Toronto. This is the second in Toronto in less than a year.

 

http://api.edweek.org/v1/blogs/62/%3Fuuid%3D74022

 

It seems that Canada's approach to gun laws doesn't prevent mass shootings.

 

In a less politically charged world, we wouldn't even be talking about gun rights in any way. We'd be talking about what needs to be done about the person that did it. Human beings are the most dangerous animal on the planet. They can use anything as a weapon, if motivated. Even a commercial airliner.

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Qualification: Male human beings are the most dangerous animal on the planet. Female human beings...…..not so much.

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Please tell us-

Exactly what does prevent mass shootings?

The good-guy-with-the-gun doesn't seem to be working super well here in the states. Lord knows, we have a lot of good guys with guns here.

Let's use a wee bit of common sense to examine the numbers.

A total of 115 mass shooting incidents have occurred thus far in 2019 in the US as of May 7.

Allowing for the difference in population between the US & Canada (a factor of 10) we win!

 

Especially California!

 

Yeah, their gun control is working...

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Qualification: Male human beings are the most dangerous animal on the planet. Female human beings...…..not so much.

 

In a way, that is true. Men kill people. Women ruin people's lives.

 

They each just act badly in different ways. And don't kid yourself. I have little doubt that a lot of the physically bad things men do were actively motivated by a woman in their life.

 

The old line in My Big Fat Greek Wedding: The man is the head, but the woman is the neck, and the woman can turn the head any way she wants.

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In a way, that is true. Men kill people. Women ruin people's lives.

 

They each just act badly in different ways. And don't kid yourself. I have little doubt that a lot of the physically bad things men do were actively motivated by a woman in their life.

 

The old line in My Big Fat Greek Wedding: The man is the head, but the woman is the neck, and the woman can turn the head any way she wants.

 

Be sure to remember your wife/mother/mother-in-law next Mother's Day.

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In a way, that is true. Men kill people. Women ruin people's lives.

 

They each just act badly in different ways. And don't kid yourself. I have little doubt that a lot of the physically bad things men do were actively motivated by a woman in their life.

 

The old line in My Big Fat Greek Wedding: The man is the head, but the woman is the neck, and the woman can turn the head any way she wants.

 

Men are like linoleum floors. Lay 'em right and you can walk all over them for years. Mae West

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I have little doubt that a lot of the physically bad things men do were actively motivated by a woman in their life.

 

Yeah, men aren't responsible for their actions. It's all the fault of those broads. :freak:

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Iv'e at least one gun since I was a little boy and I would never hurt anybody unless they were trying to kill me.

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So essentially, only 20% of the state exercises their 2nd Amendment Constitutional right...

 

You call this gun control?

:D

 

Actually, we do have some of the strictest gun regulations in the country. Or are you saying the only real / viable "gun control" should result in less than one in five citizens owning guns?

 

How do you feel about the rest of the Bill of Rights?

 

 

 

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So essentially, only 20% of the state exercises their 2nd Amendment Constitutional right...

 

 

 

Actually, we do have some of the strictest gun regulations in the country. Or are you saying the only real / viable "gun control" should result in less than one in five citizens owning guns?

 

How do you feel about the rest of the Bill of Rights?

 

 

Interesting question I wouldn't have expected, especially coming from you.

It's a right; it's not mandatory. Probably a lot of folks don't want a gun in the house.

I don't think we can assume that the other 80% of the population in California wants to have a gun but are prohibited from doing so.

And now to answer your question...

I support all the Bill of Rights; each-and-every last one of them. Second Amendment included.

I'm a gun owner.

When one in five citizens is armed, we have what I would consider to be a rather liberal gun ownership policy in place.

Just my humble opinion, and thanks for asking about what I think of the Bill of Rights.

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California is known for restrictive firearms legislation. So is Chicago. They both had high incidents of mass shootings.

You have it backwards. Chicago has more gun control BECAUSE they have had more gun violence. California has had it's share too. But California is the most pro-active state in the union so...

 

Nice try though.

 

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Iv'e at least one gun since I was a little boy and I would never hurt anybody unless they were trying to kill me.

 

Me too. At least for now. If I start slipping up mentally that could change, and then, LOOK OUT!angry02

Good to know I have recourse.

 

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Yeah, men aren't responsible for their actions. It's all the fault of those broads. :freak:

MAGA

 

 

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You have it backwards. Both of those area have more gun control BECAUSE they have had more gun violence.

 

Nice try though.

 

 

Has it worked?

 

They are still the leaders in gun violence. I don't think that they have addressed the issues that lead to confrontation. Those are easier to ignore if they can get the public to believe that it is the fault of the tool and not the fault of the society that created the tool operator. That and the disarmament of the poor are really all gun control has been good for in the US, IMHO.

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Especially California!

 

Yeah, their gun control is working...

In other words, there is not enough gun control in California.

 

 

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Qualification: Male human beings are the most dangerous animal on the planet. Female human beings...…..not so much.
But, but, females wreck men's lives. Whah, whah, whah...:cry:

 

 

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The OP is ridiculous. You never "prevent" shootings. You reduce them and their consequence (by, like, taking away all semi-autos, for instance).

 

Lately we saw how negative it can be for silencers to be available. Now watch, shooters are going to think, hey, I need a silencer too.

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[h=2]Another mass shooting[/h] ...in Toronto. This is the second in Toronto in less than a year.

 

http://api.edweek.org/v1/blogs/62/%3Fuuid%3D74022

 

It seems that Canada's approach to gun laws doesn't prevent mass shootings.

 

The contagion oozes north.

 

The Guess Who kind of predicted this...

 

 

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...in Toronto. This is the second in Toronto in less than a year.

 

http://api.edweek.org/v1/blogs/62/%3Fuuid%3D74022

 

It seems that Canada's approach to gun laws doesn't prevent mass shootings.

 

You’re exactly right - doesn’t prevent it but it’s not a daily occurrence here like in America so thanks for proving that gun control does help to greatly reduce deaths from gun violence.

 

if the pro-gun people got their head out of their ass in USA and stopped being so selfish, you could reduce the deaths in your country too and save some lives.

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Men are like linoleum floors. Lay 'em right and you can walk all over them for years. Mae West

 

To be fair, this goes both ways.

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There are no frigid women, only clumsy men.

 

 

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Yeah, men aren't responsible for their actions. It's all the fault of those broads. :freak:

 

I would have to disagree with that statement. But YMMV.

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Be sure to remember your wife/mother/mother-in-law next Mother's Day.

 

I have four daughters and a slew of adult granddaughters. Not to mention sons and grandsons. From where do you think I got my opinion? :D

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Yeah, men aren't responsible for their actions. It's all the fault of those broads. :freak:

 

Women do stuff like this:

https://www.ksl.com/article/46575810/utah-woman-sent-threatening-texts-to-herself-police-say

 

Then there are those like Tawana Brawley and Christine Blasey Ford.

 

And, of course, the Duke LaCrosse team fiasco.

 

And those are just the ones that got caught. What about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

 

 

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In a way, that is true. Men kill people. Women ruin people's lives.

 

Really? :philpalm:

 

That's a rather generalized and sexist statement.

 

Women kill people too... and men have ruined plenty of lives.

 

They each just act badly in different ways. And don't kid yourself. I have little doubt that a lot of the physically bad things men do were actively motivated by a woman in their life.

 

When men do bad things, it's their own fault and no one else's responsibility. They, and they alone, are responsible for their own actions. Same with women.

 

 

 

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In other words, there is not enough gun control in California.

 

 

They probably have some in their legislature now. They do a little every year to keep their hand in, so to speak. They sure aren't doing it to solve their social problems.

 

I don't believe they really care about the real issues, I think they care about the ones that make them look like they are doing something without doing anything helpful.

 

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You’re exactly right - doesn’t prevent it but it’s not a daily occurrence here like in America so thanks for proving that gun control does help to greatly reduce deaths from gun violence.

 

if the pro-gun people got their head out of their ass in USA and stopped being so selfish, you could reduce the deaths in your country too and save some lives.

 

Right. Are we to infer from the OP that there just aren't enough guns in Canada in order to achieve zero incidents? Anything more than zero is seen as a failure of policy?

That's the trouble with these all-or-none arguments in my estimation. Yeah, IMHO.

But we've arrived at this point in the US where polarization rules the day. Us vs Them.

Tribalism knows no middle ground.

 

 

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Really? :philpalm:

 

That's a rather generalized and sexist statement.

 

Women kill people too... and men have ruined plenty of lives.

 

 

 

When men do bad things, it's their own fault and no one else's responsibility. They, and they alone, are responsible for their own actions. Same with women.

 

 

 

Yes, it is both a generalization and is highly sexist. It is a generalization in the same way that saying men are taller than women is a generalization, and it is sexist in that it is pointing out that there are real differences in the sexes beyond vocal range.

 

And even Jordan peterson has gone public with this very concept of how men and women act badly in different ways. Fact is, many of the things I've seen women do to destroy people are completely legal and quite intangible, while when men act badly, people get physically hurt. It's easy to pass laws against that.

 

That's why there are more men in prison than women. It's not that women are "better". It's that the way they act out is not illegal or is very difficult to prove. Generally speaking.

 

Anyone with much experience with family court knows what I'm talking about.

 

One of my acquaintances spent over $100,000 defending himself against allegations by his wife that he sexually molested his own daughter. It was all about getting a higher divorce settlement. He prevailed, but the cost beyond money was paid by both him and his daughter, though nobody went to prison for the false allegations. You'd get more time in the big house for stealing a car stereo.

 

https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/political-correctness/the-gender-scandal-part-one-scandinavia-and-part-two-canada/

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They probably have some in their legislature now. They do a little every year to keep their hand in, so to speak. They sure aren't doing it to solve their social problems.

 

I don't believe they really care about the real issues, I think they care about the ones that make them look like they are doing something without doing anything helpful.

That or they know the headwinds they are up against and don't want to waste time throwing hail Mary's.

 

 

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That or they know the headwinds they are up against and don't want to waste time throwing hail Mary's.

 

 

Yeah, why work against drug abuse, joblessness, general hopelessness, and poverty, when you can just legislate a little gun control?

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Yeah, why work against drug abuse, joblessness, general hopelessness, and poverty, when you can just legislate a little gun control?

The amount of time they spend on gun control is a fraction of the time spent on those other things, but whatever.

 

 

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So essentially, only 20% of the state exercises their 2nd Amendment Constitutional right...

 

According this, it's 25%: https://www.northcoastjournal.com/NewsBlog/archives/2018/11/19/new-survey-reveals-who-owns-guns-in-california-and-how-many-got-them-without-background-checks

 

Nationally, several sources say it's 31% for the US as a whole. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/despite-mass-shootings-number-of-households-owning-guns-is-on-the-decline/

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The amount of time they spend on gun control is a fraction of the time spent on those other things, but whatever.

 

 

That's my point. If they would spend more time on working on the social issues that plague their societies the miscreants would have less reason to shoot each other up.

 

I'm not good at sarcasm.

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So essentially, only 20% of the state exercises their 2nd Amendment Constitutional right...

 

 

 

Actually, we do have some of the strictest gun regulations in the country. Or are you saying the only real / viable "gun control" should result in less than one in five citizens owning guns?

 

How do you feel about the rest of the Bill of Rights?

 

 

 

to be fair 25% of californians are minors, so unless you are a proponent of placentas for pistols™ you will always have a good chunk of the population who aren't gun owners

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to be fair 25% of californians are minors, so unless you are a proponent of placentas for pistols™ you will always have a good chunk of the population who aren't gun owners

 

Good point.

 

 

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Yeah, why work against drug abuse, joblessness, general hopelessness, and poverty, when you can just legislate a little gun control?

 

Some folks are able to multi-task. And that's 100% legal.

How's joblessness around you? Seems rather low, nation-wide, far as I know. :idk:

Drug abuse? Did you know that 44 states have sued the maker of OxyContin maker of fueling the nation's opioid crisis.

 

 

The suits — filed by the attorneys general of Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Wisconsin and West Virginia — allege that Purdue used deceptive marketing to boost the sales of the highly addictive opioid drug.

 

"This filing today represents another step forward to stop the senseless deaths and bring accountability to the system," West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey said.

 

All but one of the states — Kansas — also sued the company's former president, Richard Sackler. Oh, and one last thing-

California has a $21.5 billion surplus.

 

But really, if there's been anything going on legislatively regarding gun control, I haven't heard too much about it. (Then again, I don't live in the Great State of California, so don't go by me in that regard.)

 

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Some folks are able to multi-task. And that's 100% legal.

How's joblessness around you? Seems rather low, nation-wide, far as I know. :idk:

Drug abuse? Did you know that 44 states have sued the maker of OxyContin maker of fueling the nation's opioid crisis.

 

 

The suits — filed by the attorneys general of Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Wisconsin and West Virginia — allege that Purdue used deceptive marketing to boost the sales of the highly addictive opioid drug.

 

"This filing today represents another step forward to stop the senseless deaths and bring accountability to the system," West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey said.

 

All but one of the states — Kansas — also sued the company's former president, Richard Sackler. Oh, and one last thing-

California has a $21.5 billion surplus.

 

But really, if there's been anything going on legislatively regarding gun control, I haven't heard too much about it. (Then again, I don't live in the Great State of California, so don't go by me in that regard.)

 

This just last year:

 

California already had the strictest gun control laws in the nation. They just passed a bunch more

 

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/01/polit...rnd/index.html

 

Maybe the problem isn't the gun control laws, but the societal issues that aggravate conflict.

 

The state’s inland metropolitan areas are plagued by stubbornly high joblessness.

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-07/california-s-unemployment-belt-vexes-prosperous-state

 

I believe that most of the mass shootings in California are gang/drug related.

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This just last year:

 

 

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/01/polit...rnd/index.html

 

Maybe the problem isn't the gun control laws, but the societal issues that aggravate conflict.

 

 

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-07/california-s-unemployment-belt-vexes-prosperous-state

 

I believe that most of the mass shootings in California are gang/drug related.

No doubt. I imagine that's true for the Chicago area, too.

 

 

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Kill'm all, let gawd sort'm out. How it's done doesn't interest me.

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That's my point. If they would spend more time on working on the social issues that plague their societies the miscreants would have less reason to shoot each other up.

 

I'm not good at sarcasm.

That's what :rolleyes: is for.

 

 

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Kill'm all' date=' let gawd sort'm out. How it's done doesn't interest me.[/quote']Clarify, sir?

 

 

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