Members Chris K Posted February 9, 2011 Members Share Posted February 9, 2011 looks ugly...who did they pattern this amp after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 9, 2011 CMS Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 looks ugly...who did they pattern this amp after? Well, the half-round things on the ends look a lot like the molded handles on QSC PLX amps. iPuke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 9, 2011 CMS Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 If you read the back of the amp it say "momentary power" doesn't that mean even less power? It means whatever they want it to mean, as there's no standard to which anyone is forced to comply. Wanna make {censored} up? Go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 So, anybody besides me crazy enough to order one up ? They are available now - $399 shipped. EDIT> Well darn - the 6000 model isn't bridgeable and is only rated for 4 ohm loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcpro Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Every reputable place I've checked still says preorder - available sometime this summer. Amazon, Musician's Friend, and American Musical don't even list it at all. I may well be crazy but I've been kind of following this amp - as well as the Peavey IPR6000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Every place I've checked still says preorder - available sometime this summer. I may well be crazy but I've been kind of following this amp - as well as the Peavey IPR6000.One vendor says June, a couple others don't say they are backordered at all. I'll let you know what happens. BTW this guy is 3kw per channel @ 4 ohms - the mythical IPR6000 is only 2kw. How are we supposed to blow stuff up with only 2kw into it? It has a 30 amp mains fuse so I can't figure that it's not rated in real watts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Grumpy Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 And all from (according to the picture on the site) a standard IEC 120V power connector. Simply astounding. It must have an internal perpetual motion machine to provide the extra power... You are correct. By my thumbnail calculation, pulling 6,000 watts from a 120 volt circuit would require 50 amps, and that's assuming 100% efficiency. Almost all outlet are rated at (and have circuit breakers for) 15 or 20 amps. I glanced over the weblink and the PDF brochure, I didn't see any disclaimers about "peak power." Amplifier power ratings are supposed to be standardized so consumers can make a fair comparison between products. "Peak Power" or "Momentary power" is complete marketing bull{censored}, and is basically illegal to advertise peak power specs per the U.S. Federal Trade Commission. The only rating that matters is continuous RMS power. ... as there's no standard to which anyone is forced to comply. In the United States, there is most definitely a standard, and has been since 1974. .... n the US on May 3, 1974, the Amplifier Rule CFR 16 Part 432 (39 FR 15387) [3] was instated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) requiring audio power and distortion ratings for home entertainment equipment to be measured in a defined manner with power stated in RMS terms. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 For the math impaired, any amp rated at much over 1000w isn't going to do that continuously from a 15a circuit. Dunno why you're singling out Behringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Norton666 Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 They wont hit stores until late October at the earliest (the amps with the DSP that is). At least thats what Behringer is telling me. I cant speak for these particular amps , but from personal experience , a few years ago , I was running a Carvin rig with all Carvin DCM amplifiers and I replaced them with Behr EP2500s and I was much happier with the Behrs. Im not trying to blow smoke here , Ive been a Behr dealer for a long time and there was a period where I had a LOT of gear coming back dead or with problems , but I havent had a single Behr return in the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members srp72ee Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 "...illuminated gain controls for precise level setting" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 "...illuminated gain controls for precise level setting" Hey, no worse than the IPR "bling lights" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted June 1, 2011 CMS Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 You are correct. By my thumbnail calculation, pulling 6,000 watts from a 120 volt circuit would require 50 amps, and that's assuming 100% efficiency. Almost all outlet are rated at (and have circuit breakers for) 15 or 20 amps. I glanced over the weblink and the PDF brochure, I didn't see any disclaimers about "peak power." Amplifier power ratings are supposed to be standardized so consumers can make a fair comparison between products. "Peak Power" or "Momentary power" is complete marketing bull{censored}, and is basically illegal to advertise peak power specs per the U.S. Federal Trade Commission. The only rating that matters is continuous RMS power.In the United States, there is most definitely a standard, and has been since 1974. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_power Pro audio is not "Home Entertainment Products", which is what CFR Title 16, Part 432 applies to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Pro audio is not "Home Entertainment Products", which is what CFR Title 16, Part 432 applies to. Thank you Craig!!! This is one of the most misunderstood concepts, along with power consumption characteristics which do not relate to continuous power because that's not how the product is designed to be used and no speakers would survive under those conditions at that kind of power level. The power consumption is based on between 1/8 and 1/3 rated power depending on the application. Without a doubt these will be peak ratings. That's how most of their newer and larger amps are rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 BTW I suspect that the nu6000 has two bridged nu3000's inside it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fdew Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 There are two kinds of people.Those who can't figure out why everyone bashes behringerThose who have bought a behringer product. It might be a good deal if you don't need it to work, and you don't want your speakers either. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 It looks like Pseudo-Pro audio has finally finished the transition of emulating car audio specs Kind of odd that they'd market it this way actually. Even the chronic overpower junkies may shy away from the perception that they are pumping that many watts into their Yamaha Clubs. The name is priceless though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 The name is priceless though. Yeah, between the German and China ties, the name stands out as a major social "oops"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 Yeah, between the German and China ties, the name stands out as a major social "oops"... I'm sure they'll sell well in Japan right now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 I'm sure they'll sell well in Japan right now . Thinking the same thing, if not before the tsunami, certainly afterwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rezrover Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 I thought Apple copyrighted "i" anything. They must have never thought of it but will probably sue Behringer for the likeness of the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hey, while you're "here" and all - what would you consider the most watts out to expect from a class-D sub amp run off of a 15V 15A circuit? AFAIK they are about 66% efficient (?) and if you believe subs are generally run at the 1/3 power point (?) an amp rated at 3000w into your loads would be actually delivering 1000w which is about max for a single 15A circuit? I've seen a 8Kw amp driving four double 18's off of a 115V outlet and I just can't imagine that being a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 6Imzadi Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 I would like to see an amp that has 8KW available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 I would like to see an amp that has 8KW available.http://crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/par-itech-0704.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hey, while you're "here" and all - what would you consider the most watts out to expect from a class-D sub amp run off of a 15V 15A circuit? AFAIK they are about 66% efficient (?) and if you believe subs are generally run at the 1/3 power point (?) an amp rated at 3000w into your loads would be actually delivering 1000w which is about max for a single 15A circuit? I've seen a 8Kw amp driving four double 18's off of a 115V outlet and I just can't imagine that being a good idea? 120 volt, 15a is 1800 watts Good Class D w/ SMPS will be on the order of 85% efficient For subs, I would look at 25% duty cycle (1/4-power) as a reasonable number (the larger the amp the less you are going to want to beat on it for the speaker's sake) So 1800 x .85 = 1530 watts available at 100% duty cycle 1530/.25 = 6120 watts available at 25% duty cycle Of course, this is theoretical, adding in the practical deratings for power cable losses, breaker trip curves, etc, I would reduce this by 20% (4900 watts) and it should be relatively accurate. As the duty cycle increases to say 33%, the available undistorted or unlimited power will decrease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 2, 2011 Members Share Posted June 2, 2011 Good Class D w/ SMPS will be on the order of 85% efficientI'm a bit confused by Peavey's spec on their 1600. They say at 1/3 power its "current draw" is 1160 watts. 1600/3/1160 = 46% efficient ? Of course they have the "current draw" rated in watts so whoever wrote that was probably too busy sticking their head up their arse to ask one of the engineers what the real numbers are . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.