Members Mastersonics Posted March 3, 2011 Members Share Posted March 3, 2011 Just sold my QSC [2] HPR 122i and [1] 181i. Looking to buy a new system for my 3 piece pop rock band and this ART 722 seems like a great option. I was happy with the HPR but the weight factor was killing me. The 2" HF driver sounds like a great upgrade but the only drawback to me is the plastic enclosure. What's your take?Are the RCF better system than the QSC HPR or even the QSC KW? thanks for your commentscheers,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted March 3, 2011 Members Share Posted March 3, 2011 IMO, yes, the RCF 500 and 700 series is better and they should be considering the cost. I have the 522A, 322A and 310A. Also, take a look at the new FBT ProMaxx-14A. 1.4" exit, light, historically better support than RCF. As for the plastic thing, IMO it's largely a myth that plastic isn't as good. I think plastic gets a bad rap because there are a lot of low end boxes that are plastic. Low grade, thin walled plastic with low grade drivers and low end amps makes for a crappy speaker. Thicker, rigid plastic with high grade components makes for a nice speaker. .... go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 3, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 3, 2011 It's really hard to buy new speakers without listening firstThere's no way that i could try some where I live. Are these RCF better than the KW122i too? thanks,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bobby1Note Posted March 3, 2011 Members Share Posted March 3, 2011 It's really hard to buy new speakers without listening firstThere's no way that i could try some where I live.Are these RCF better than the KW122i too?thanks,Charles You may also want to look into warranty repair requirements too. If you have to ship a heavy speaker, and do without for an extended period, well,,,,,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted March 4, 2011 Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 FWIW, I had trouble with one of my 522A's. They had me take out the power module and just ship it. It was a long wait though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 That what I was afraid of... although that can happen to any brandI'm not familiar with RCF and is kind of hard to pull the trigger on them decisions, decisions, decisions... Might as well stay with QSC K or KW.... cheers,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted March 4, 2011 Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 I will say that since that occurrence they have increased their support centers from one to several across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 I just checked and the ART 722 is not availableThat was the one model that would make me change to RCFthat 2" compression driver sounds like a good thing to have. If I can't get the 722 then I'll stick to the QSC that I'm already comfortable My question...Can I get a decent system with a pair of K8's or K10's plus [2] KSubs?Or will it be better to go with [2] KW122 and [1] KW181i? I'm trying to shed as much weight as possible without sounding inferior to my HPR's... any thoughts? thanks,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members banddad Posted March 4, 2011 Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 How about the JBL speakers? My 712's are quite light, generally considered a step up in sound, but do require a separate amp, which I don't have to lift much above ground level! The PRX612's are probably more of a sonic equivalent, are nicely self powered, and notably lighter than the QSC's. Both have matching subs which one man can handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 These are the finalists so far... 4 systems: [2] K10's with [1] or [2] KSubs[2] K10's with [1] KW181i[2] KW122i with [1] or [2] KSubs [2] KW122i with [1] KW181i Not sure if I can get a couple of KSubs to hit the same or more than a single KW181i I will be amplifying pretty much everything: [Drums, Bass, Guitar, Vocals & BackUp Tracks] I'm trying to shed as much weight as possible without sounding inferior to my HPR's... hope someone can pitch in with the finalist systems above cheers,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted March 4, 2011 Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 There's a considerable difference between the "K" anything and speakers in the realm of the RCF 700 series. You should see if you can find an FBT dealer to hear the ProMaxx stuff. If you're looking for something a notch above what everyone else has and is easier to go hear in person, look at the EV ZXA5 (50 lbs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members I stink at bass Posted March 4, 2011 Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 181i.I was happy with the HPR but the weight factor was killing me.Charles Aren't those things only like 60lbs. That's lightweight by my standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 There's a considerable difference between the "K" anything and speakers in the realm of the RCF 700 series. You should see if you can find an FBT dealer to hear the ProMaxx stuff. If you're looking for something a notch above what everyone else has and is easier to go hear in person, look at the EV ZXA5 (50 lbs). I'm looking for a nicer bigger compression driversthe music that we play needs that top end shine still reading and undecided... Damn it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 4, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 4, 2011 Aren't those things only like 60lbs. That's lightweight by my standards. I hear you BUT...if you are like us that play 3 to 4 times a week and only one roadie then it gets old FASTespecially that 127lbs HPR 181 sub.... cheers,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audiopyle Sound Posted March 5, 2011 Members Share Posted March 5, 2011 I just checked and the ART 722 is not availableThat was the one model that would make me change to RCFthat 2" compression driver sounds like a good thing to have. Not sure where you are located but I have 722As in stock. Still have one pair of 522s left as well. Send me a PM if you want to discuss it. BTW, the ART5 and ART7 series components are higher quality than the K or KW speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigMac5 Posted March 5, 2011 Members Share Posted March 5, 2011 I also been thinking of retiring my Mackie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted March 5, 2011 Members Share Posted March 5, 2011 I also been thinking of retiring my Mackie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigMac5 Posted March 5, 2011 Members Share Posted March 5, 2011 ^^^Thanks Abzurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 5, 2011 Not sure where you are located but I have 722As in stock. Still have one pair of 522s left as well. Send me a PM if you want to discuss it. BTW, the ART5 and ART7 series components are higher quality than the K or KW speakers. I'm pretty far from Californiathanks for your helpcheers,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 5, 2011 Anyone have tried the RCF ART 422? not sure if they are a bit underpowered... any thoughts?thanks,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lifeloverwg Posted March 6, 2011 Members Share Posted March 6, 2011 I'm looking for a nicer bigger compression driversthe music that we play needs that top end shinestill reading and undecided... Damn it! Not sure what you mean by "top end shine", but it's worth keeping in mind that the larger compression drivers generally have poorer high response than smaller drivers of the same quality. As I understand it, the biggest reasons for 2" compression drivers is higher power handling and a lower cross over point. Now we have 1.5" throat drivers in many speakers as well which have some of the benefits of both the 1" and 2". Judging from many of the rigs I hear it seems like the people that can actually hear high frequencies are getting rarer all the time.... Winston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 6, 2011 Members Share Posted March 6, 2011 2" drivers will generally have worse (in some cases much worse) HF response but this is a tradeoff for a lower crossover point, higher efficiency, higher power handling, lower distortion and lower frequencies, and better choices for pattern control at lower frequencies. Some newer larger format drivers (1.5" and 2" exit) use exotic geometries, phase plugs, diaphragm materials, horn flairs to extend HF response and if the rolloff rate is smooth and uniform enough, carefull correction in DSP can yield outstanding HF performance BUT we are talking about >$500 drivers here. So, top end shine is not going to be because of a 2" driver. Also note that when the pros here talk of 2" drivers, they are talking about the exit diameter of the throat and not the diaphragm or voice coil diameter which is how the marketing boys describe things because they equate bigger to better... NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted March 6, 2011 Members Share Posted March 6, 2011 IMO, the difference isn't in "top end shine", but in the mids. Getting more mids into the horn and out of the woofer makes them less stuffy, more open, dimensional and just overall better articulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigMac5 Posted March 25, 2011 Members Share Posted March 25, 2011 Well I pulled the trigger on a pair of RCF Art 722's, they should be here today. It's going to be a few weeks before I can take them out to a gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mastersonics Posted March 25, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 25, 2011 Well I pulled the trigger on a pair of RCF Art 722's, they should be here today. It's going to be a few weeks before I can take them out to a gig. Would love to hear your take on how they sound cheers,Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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