Members RobRoy Posted December 9, 2016 Members Posted December 9, 2016 So you are referring more so to the video dubbing and editing more so than what I would consider studio "over dubbing"? I think we're splitting hairs. My problem with last waltz was the they applied audio over the concert footage that was actually recorded in a studio. And it was painfully obvious. I love watching neck fingerwork in live concert videos. This is what made the Eagles Austrailia concert video so awesome. I loved watching the Walsh and the hired gun play, sometimes with closeups on the fingering. In The Last Waltz, fuggetaboutit.
Members RogueGnome Posted December 9, 2016 Members Posted December 9, 2016 Really? I don't understand how you could listen to Aja and not feel fire and passion in Gadd's drum work.....maybe it's just me. No, it's definitely not just you. I think they're the smartest thing in classic rock. But it's not just Hoddy, either. My girlfriend's grown son described Steely Dan as elevator music, too. That absolutely baffles and astounds me.
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 We have a local independent CR station here, 95.7 "The Ride", which plays.... (snip) and Love is like Oxygen"... Sorry, but I love the Sweet. Guilty pleasure from my youth... They do play some forgotten songs I like, such as "Spirit in the Sky, A classic - love the fuzz! Smokin' in the Boy's Room, A cute and tolerable novelty song in its original form, but Vince Neil and Motley Crue kind of ruined it for me... and James Taylor, Neil Young, etc. Of the bunch, Taylor's the best you mentioned IMHO. Love the man's voice - it's like a bath that's just right... so soothing and pure. Not to mention he's a very under-rated fingerstyle guitarist and occasionally writes some very good songs. Also Men at Work, I've come to appreciate them 30 years later. I don't mind Steve Miller, but the solo on 'Abracadabra' has to be one of the most uninspired ever!!! I burned out on Men At Work really fast. Still love Steve Miller, but I have to agree - Abracadabra - I wanna reach out and grab ya? Yeah Steve, someone should have reached out and grabbed you by the shoulders and shaken some sense into you when you suggested that line... not to mention the rest of the song. Abracadabra is a great example of why artists shouldn't produce themselves.
Members RobRoy Posted December 9, 2016 Members Posted December 9, 2016 I always found Steely Dan to be really boring...boring in like background elevator music...no fire or passion in their music. That was how I saw their stuff too. I've never become a fan, but I think I understand the attraction now. I was a member of a band that did some of their stuff. It was extremely difficult compared to most pop/rock. It gave me some appreciation of their stuff. But only some.
Members onelife Posted December 9, 2016 Members Posted December 9, 2016 A friend of mine once said that the words 'music' and 'business' should not be used in the same sentence.
Members onelife Posted December 9, 2016 Members Posted December 9, 2016 No, Becker looks like Anderton.
Members onelife Posted December 9, 2016 Members Posted December 9, 2016 I got to "sit at the feet of The Immortal" while they were making "Two Against Nature"... I got stories I really like the guitars on that album. Is it mostly Walter?
Members 1001gear Posted December 10, 2016 Members Posted December 10, 2016 Walter Becker seemed to have improved or decided to feature himself more and maybe just worked up that bit. More recently, Carlock wasn't such a good choice. Too busy for one but that bonky kick drum ???
Moderators Red Ant Posted December 10, 2016 Author Moderators Posted December 10, 2016 I really like the guitars on that album. Is it mostly Walter? Entirely Walter.
Moderators Red Ant Posted December 10, 2016 Author Moderators Posted December 10, 2016 Walter Becker seemed to have improved or decided to feature himself more and maybe just worked up that bit. More recently, Carlock wasn't such a good choice. Too busy for one but that bonky kick drum ??? I on the other hand love Carlock's playing, with the Dan as well as with Wayne Krantz and Oz Noy especially. Incredible swing and drive. Its particularly incredible cause that was one of, if not the 1st gig Carlock did with Oz and he is sight-reading that stuff!
Members 1001gear Posted December 10, 2016 Members Posted December 10, 2016 I on the other hand love Carlock's playing, with the Dan as well as with Wayne Krantz and Oz Noy especially. Incredible swing and drive. Its particularly incredible cause that was one of, if not the 1st gig Carlock did with Oz and he is sight-reading that stuff! No question he's in his element; chamber group to Steely Dan's orchestra. Before the Steely Dan gig and watching the Noy stuff and other Carlock, it occurred to me he'd be a great addition to the new Steely Dan; until I heard the results. mMaaybe if they came up with new slightly more complex/rhythmic material my opinion would be different.
Members Zig al-din Posted December 10, 2016 Members Posted December 10, 2016 I'm a big fan of 70's prog, but ELP were a horrible band IMO (RIP Greg Lake):
Members 1001gear Posted December 11, 2016 Members Posted December 11, 2016 Don't much care for ELP neither - although I found them amazinger than sliced bread for a couple months. I used to think Carl Palmer was the weak link but then you got Dream Theater with all the modern upgrades and I don't care for them either.
Members Malcolm Ramone Posted December 11, 2016 Members Posted December 11, 2016 'Lucky Man' is just awful, at least Asia was livelier! RIP though!
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 12, 2016 Posted December 12, 2016 Moved here from HCPP to give others a chance to participate in this thread...
Members RobRoy Posted December 12, 2016 Members Posted December 12, 2016 I'm a big fan of 70's prog, but ELP were a horrible band IMO (RIP Greg Lake): I really liked ELP in their day. But as time wears on I realize it was because of all the unique sounds they produced. Time has not been kind to them, at least for me. Same thing sort of happened to me with Rick Wakeman. In my entire life, only two times have I had to buy a second copy of an album because I wore out the original. One was Wakeman's "six wives" and the other was Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies. I think there was something a bit schizoid going on with me back then. At least that is what I keep telling myself. No you don't. Yes I do.
Members philboking Posted December 13, 2016 Members Posted December 13, 2016 2 comments:In this day where you can play just what you want whenever you want it takes a special kind of masochist to listen to music they cannot stand. If it's about music why are attacking the way people look? If you are very lucky you too will someday be just as old. If you lead a totally charmed life you might even be making music for a living at that time so all those people who were born later can ridicule you as well. That's life....
Members 1001gear Posted December 13, 2016 Members Posted December 13, 2016 2 comments: In this day where you can play just what you want whenever you want it takes a special kind of masochist to listen to music they cannot stand. If it's about music why are attacking the way people look? If you are very lucky you too will someday be just as old. If you lead a totally charmed life you might even be making music for a living at that time so all those people who were born later can ridicule you as well. That's life.... Entertainment is about vanity.
Members Anderton Posted December 13, 2016 Members Posted December 13, 2016 Looking over this list, bands named after geographical locations are doomed. Doors-haters should know that back in the 60s, they performed a valuable public service to radio DJs. The DJs would put on "The End," which I think was about a 14-minute song, and this gave them enough time to roll up a joint, smoke it, and if a deli was nearby, grab some food before they had to put on the next record. To this day I don't know if any DJs ever actually heard the song in its entirety.
Members nat whilk II Posted December 15, 2016 Members Posted December 15, 2016 These kinds of threads where everyone pipes up with "I like this" or "I hate that" always seem really puerile to me. What's the value in some person's "I like" or "I don't like" blurbs? It's bad enough if the conversation at a party sinks to that level, but at least at the party you can drink while other people are boring. But expand it to "and here's why" followed by something insightful (not things like he/she just looks like a dork or is old or gross or whatever) and maybe something interesting will happen. But hey, I like Paydays, and I hate Tootsie Rolls. I hate pastel greens and I love creamy yellows. I hate doing electron configuration in chemistry class, but I like dodgeball. I like the Seahawks and I hate the Raiders. Aren't I an interesting guy who says such interesting things? nat whilk ii
Members elsongs Posted December 16, 2016 Members Posted December 16, 2016 For me it's the Grateful Dead. I don't think they suck, but I honestly don't think there's anything really interesting about them (aside from having two drummers). And at least bands that suck are able to make songs that sound interesting. Maybe it's because I'm no baby boomer that did LSD back in the '60s I used to think they were some kind of metal band (the skeleton imagery, etc) but when I first actually heard them, they sounded real mediocre.
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 16, 2016 Posted December 16, 2016 For me it's the Grateful Dead. I don't think they suck, but I honestly don't think there's anything really interesting about them (aside from having two drummers). And at least bands that suck are able to make songs that sound interesting. Maybe it's because I'm no baby boomer that did LSD back in the '60s I used to think they were some kind of metal band (the skeleton imagery, etc) but when I first actually heard them, they sounded real mediocre. I think they were really, really inconsistent. I've heard a lot of their stuff where I totally agreed with you - mediocre. Especially their studio albums. Then again, I've heard bootlegs from a couple of shows where they actually surprised me quite a bit. I think they were one of those bands that you never quite could capture in a studio setting... and never quite knew what you were going to get from them at a live show either.
Members RobRoy Posted December 16, 2016 Members Posted December 16, 2016 I think they were really, really inconsistent. I've heard a lot of their stuff where I totally agreed with you - mediocre. Especially their studio albums. Then again, I've heard bootlegs from a couple of shows where they actually surprised me quite a bit. I think they were one of those bands that you never quite could capture in a studio setting... and never quite knew what you were going to get from them at a live show either. Sounds like a few bar bands I've been in.
Members UstadKhanAli Posted December 18, 2016 Members Posted December 18, 2016 I think they were really, really inconsistent. I've heard a lot of their stuff where I totally agreed with you - mediocre. Especially their studio albums. Then again, I've heard bootlegs from a couple of shows where they actually surprised me quite a bit. I think they were one of those bands that you never quite could capture in a studio setting... and never quite knew what you were going to get from them at a live show either. And this is often the nature of improvisational bands, such as the Grateful Dead. By their own admission, they felt like they rarely captured their magic in the studio. They weren't, after all, a studio band; their bread and butter was playing live events. Although never my favorite band, they are brilliant musicians who hit enormous creative highs (and perhaps other sorts of highs) when firing on all cylinders.
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