Members Elias Graves Posted May 21, 2015 Members Share Posted May 21, 2015 P90s are always the correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Notes_Norton Posted May 22, 2015 Members Share Posted May 22, 2015 I like the light weight of the 330/Casino. I also like to feel it vibrate against my arm and body while playing. I like that it is also an acoustic guitar. Not that you can take it on an acoustic gig, it's really not fat enough for that, but I can pick it up any time I want and play something. If I hear something on the radio and wonder what key it's in or if I want to figure out the chords, off the stand, in my hands, and the rest depends on my ears. But what I like most about the 330 is P90s. After playing P90s for a while, everything else just sounds dull. But sometimes you want a different sound, the P90 might just be too aggressive, or perhaps there is an electrical problem at a venue and they hum a lot. We played one club that had a buzz. I'd bring my ESP faux-LP because one of the Mean 90s is reverse polarity, reverse wound and if I put the switch in the middle, it acted like a giant humbucker. Now I had Parker build a custom Dragonfly/Maxxfly for me with Duncan P-Rail pups with triple shot rings. Now I can have a very good P90 sound (not quite as good as soap bars), a nice rail sound, series humbucker and parallel humbucker. Plus it has a piezo under the bridge that I can blend with the mag pups. I probably play P90 at least 90% of the time. But this is a 335/330 thread so I don't want to hijack. I think I'd like the 335 a lot better with a pair of GFS Mean 90s in place of the Humbuckers. But why? I have a 330 and a Casino. Insights and incites by Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 I agree Notes - if you already have a 330 or Casino, there's really no need to put P90s into your 335. I know it's off-topic to the thread, but I'd love to see some pics of your custom Parker sometime. If you feel like it, I'd love to see a new photo thread about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mistersully Posted May 25, 2015 Members Share Posted May 25, 2015 i'd intended to sell my epi elitist casino to fund some more studio gear.... the thinking was i can get close enough tonally with my other guitars... hadn't played it in a while but pulled it out yesterday and it's not going anywhere... when you get that p90/hollow body thing just right, it really is a thing of beauty... there's enough tonal variation while keeping the thing that makes it specialwonderful guitarso my vote is for the 330 (which i considered but chose the japanese epi due to it's neck profile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted May 25, 2015 Members Share Posted May 25, 2015 I really do need to find some type of P90 hollowbody. Don't tell my wife but tha's going onmy shopping list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share Posted May 25, 2015 Don't worry gardo, your secret's safe with us. Just memorize this line: "Oh THAT old thing? I've had that forever..." Hopefully you have enough other guitars that she doesn't know them all by sight so you can pull it off. FWIW, it's always worked for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share Posted May 25, 2015 i'd intended to sell my epi elitist casino to fund some more studio gear.... the thinking was i can get close enough tonally with my other guitars... hadn't played it in a while but pulled it out yesterday and it's not going anywhere... when you get that p90/hollow body thing just right, it really is a thing of beauty... there's enough tonal variation while keeping the thing that makes it special wonderful guitar so my vote is for the 330 (which i considered but chose the japanese epi due to it's neck profile) What color is your Elitist? And what are the differences between the Elitist and the standard (now MIC) Casinos? And I absolutely agree with you: when you get that p90/hollow body thing just right, it really is a thing of beauty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mistersully Posted May 25, 2015 Members Share Posted May 25, 2015 What color is your Elitist? And what are the differences between the Elitist and the standard (now MIC) Casinos? this colour ... i've taken the pickguard off mine apart from the pickups and the thinner neck profile, i'm not sure of the differences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted May 26, 2015 Moderators Share Posted May 26, 2015 Sorry dude, I told her last night:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted May 26, 2015 Moderators Share Posted May 26, 2015 And honestly, I love the build quality of the Peerless stuff, but I have to ask - just what the heck were they thinking with those neck inlays??? I recently reviewed a MIC Casino Coupe, and it had much nicer looking inlays on it. That's honestly the only real complaint I have about my Casino - the tacky and cheap looking neck position marker inlays. Oddly enough Phil, the actual Peerless equivalent, the Songbird has exactly the same inlays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Notes_Norton Posted May 26, 2015 Members Share Posted May 26, 2015 I have a MIK Peerless Casino, and the 'Parallelogram" neck inlays are not my favorite either. But then, when I'm playing the guitar, I can't see the inlays anyway. The binding/fret-dots are easy to see and that's all that counts with me. Insights and incites by Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted May 26, 2015 Members Share Posted May 26, 2015 Teaser.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 this colour ... i've taken the pickguard off mine apart from the pickups and the thinner neck profile, i'm not sure of the differences Wait - the Elitist has an even thinner neck? Are we talking fingerboard width, or thickness from the center of the fretboard to the center of the back of the neck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Teaser.... Love the flame on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Oddly enough Phil, the actual Peerless equivalent, the Songbird has exactly the same inlays To me, those actually look better than what's on my guitar. The MIK Casino I have has very plain inlays, with no figuring or character at all. They kind of have a weird grayish cast to them and they don't really look like MOP. The MIC Casino Coupe I recently reviewed had much better looking inlays on it. For some reason, the 90s / early 2000 MIK neck inlays are just really plain and ugly looking to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mistersully Posted May 26, 2015 Members Share Posted May 26, 2015 Wait - the Elitist has an even thinner neck? Are we talking fingerboard width, or thickness from the center of the fretboard to the center of the back of the neck? both, i believe but i think the neck size varies as to where the standard casinos were made... i think the korean ones have thinner necks than the chinese ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted May 27, 2015 Moderators Share Posted May 27, 2015 Cheers Phil, Ya just cost me £500:-| I do get to be the owner of a 4 month old Inspired by John Lennon Casino.........and I don't even like JL:smiley-lol: I really need to seek the the forum's advice on replacing a 1958 ES-125T fretboard. But for now, I'll wait for me Casino:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 6down1togo Posted May 30, 2015 Members Share Posted May 30, 2015 Cheers Phil, Ya just cost me £500:-| I do get to be the owner of a 4 month old Inspired by John Lennon Casino.........and I don't even like JL:smiley-lol: Me neither but a really nice guitar. I peeled the MIC sticker off the headstock and stuck it over the dumb JL doodle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Notes_Norton Posted May 30, 2015 Members Share Posted May 30, 2015 <...> For some reason, the 90s / early 2000 MIK neck inlays are just really plain and ugly looking to me. 2000 MIK Peerless Casino - the only thing I don't like is the size of the headstock. It just seems too big. But that definitely is nit picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 Cheers Phil, Ya just cost me £500:-| I do get to be the owner of a 4 month old Inspired by John Lennon Casino.........and I don't even like JL:smiley-lol: I really need to seek the the forum's advice on replacing a 1958 ES-125T fretboard. But for now, I'll wait for me Casino:) Cheers Sean! That's a great guitar! Can't wait to see the pics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 2000 MIK Peerless Casino - the only thing I don't like is the size of the headstock. It just seems too big. But that definitely is nit picking. Lovely guitars Bob. I think I know what you mean about the headstock - my '01 looks identical in that respect, and it does seem a touch bigger than it should be. Here are some photos of neck inlays I just took. We'll go in chronological order... First, my '96 MIK (not Peerless) Limited Edition Les Paul in Trans Red - notice how much filler is present around the inlay edges, as well as the general plainness of the inlay material: Here's my '01 MIK (Peerless) Casino's neck inlays (please disregard the finger funk ) - these are even plainer than the inlays on the Les Paul: And for comparison, here's my '13 Gibson SG Standard's inlays: If only my LP and Casino had similar looking inlays. The new MIC models appear to, if the Casino Coupe I recently reviewed is any indication - the inlays on that looked much closer to the SG's inlays than my Casino or Les Paul's inlays do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Danhedonia Posted May 30, 2015 Members Share Posted May 30, 2015 I had thought that there was another difference in the guitars - neck angle? My understanding is that the Casino (or rather, the classic design of the Casino, which may or may not have been tweaked for MIK / MIC runs) had a smaller neck angle than 335s (and by extension, Sheratons, of which I have a '93 Samick MIK that's quite nice). And that the reduced angle led to a bit 'looser' feel. No? *********My Samick has MOP-ish looking inlays, but I like the 'dull' ones from the Peerless guitars in this thread. Of course, that may be due to my reading about how the worldwide abalone population is just cratering, in no small part due to the love of MOP. Give me an ecological alternative any day of the week, and I will almost always find it more beautiful than a destructive but traditional option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted June 1, 2015 Moderators Share Posted June 1, 2015 I had thought that there was another difference in the guitars - neck angle? My understanding is that the Casino (or rather, the classic design of the Casino, which may or may not have been tweaked for MIK / MIC runs) had a smaller neck angle than 335s (and by extension, Sheratons, of which I have a '93 Samick MIK that's quite nice). And that the reduced angle led to a bit 'looser' feel. No? ********* My Samick has MOP-ish looking inlays, but I like the 'dull' ones from the Peerless guitars in this thread. Of course, that may be due to my reading about how the worldwide abalone population is just cratering, in no small part due to the love of MOP. Give me an ecological alternative any day of the week, and I will almost always find it more beautiful than a destructive but traditional option. Now this is interesting if correct. It would make sense, as the full hollow construction would have an effect on what to attach the neck to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted June 1, 2015 Members Share Posted June 1, 2015 Now this is interesting if correct. It would make sense, as the full hollow construction would have an effect on what to attach the neck to Neck angle is a function of how much the top is arched, how tall the bridge is and how much the neck stands proud of the body. I have plans for three different Gibsons - a Les Paul, ES-175 (which should have a lot in common with the 330) and ES-335. The neck angle on a LP is 3.5 degrees, the 175 measures 2.6 and the 335 measures 2.0 degrees. Both the LP and 335 are flush with the top - the 175 has the normal little archtop style wedge. LP's and 335 of course have stud mounted ToM's while the 175 (and 330?) have floating ToM's. Big difference is that the 335 has a long tenon LP style of neck joint, the 175 (and I would assume the 330) has a standard dovetail. You can argue which is the "tighter" joint - believe me it gets discussed to death at lutherie forums. Last comment on the neck joint, I have read that some 335's had a QC issue with how well the joint was glued - I've seen one that was cracked and saw some pictures of someone sliding a piece of paper into the joint (where there should be glue). From my standpoint the differences, in order of importance is (1) P90 vs humbuckers, (2) hollow body and moderately light bracing vs a 5x12x2 inch hunk of maple or basswood, (3) everything else (neck joint, floating vs fixed bridge, tailpiece vs stop tailpiece, ad infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 both, i believe but i think the neck size varies as to where the standard casinos were made... i think the korean ones have thinner necks than the chinese ones Thanks! I recently reviewed a MIC Casino Coupe, and comparing the two side by side, it was less a matter of thickness, and more one of profile. They both have fairly thin (~.800") necks, with the Casino having a more C shaped profile and the Coupe having a more D shaped profile with significantly more meat in the shoulder area. As a guy with small hands, I preferred the MIK neck profile. I really can't imagine a Casino having a better shaped or playing neck for me than the one I already have, but whenever I hear "thin neck", I tend to sit up and take notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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