Members baldbloke Posted November 11, 2014 Members Share Posted November 11, 2014 After more than 30 years trying to be a half decent player, sweat, tears and slow, slow progress. Stuff it! I have decided to stump up the fee required on some internet tuition sites. They guarantee I will play like a pro in just 15 minutes. I can't believe I have been so tight fisted with my wallet! Hi, guys. I'm back in the groove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emory Posted November 11, 2014 Members Share Posted November 11, 2014 Did they what kind of pro? Wrestler? Hooker? Musician?BTW how much they want for that 15 minutes? Made me think of "Never ending story Part 2"...... no reason to take class after 15 minutes, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamesp Posted November 11, 2014 Members Share Posted November 11, 2014 I only ever took a couple of guitar lessons, but by the time I got serious about mandolin I figured I was too old to waste any time, so I took lessons from four different teachers for the first two years. It was definitely a good kick start. But I still had to practice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdBega Posted November 11, 2014 Members Share Posted November 11, 2014 I never practice anymore, the guitar is just an instrument I use to accompany my mediocre singing ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeepEnd Posted November 11, 2014 Members Share Posted November 11, 2014 I do, in fact practice, but I've long since given up on being a great or even good player. My big thing these days is praise band and occasional originals and neither takes a great guitarist, thank goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baldbloke Posted November 11, 2014 Author Members Share Posted November 11, 2014 Just my luck. I can't find any sites with that same promise. Several years ago I'm almost sure I saw some internet advertisements making such ludicrous claims. Such as "we will give you the secret method that only professional guitar players know. Complete beginners welcome. You will be playing lead guitar like a rock star and be the envy of your friends. And all this in just 15 minutes. All you have to do is send your (substantial) fee to....." Maybe those "expert" teachers of guitar are now runing porn sites or even in jail. I should have gave them my cash when I had the chance. Oh well. Reckon I'll just have work hard to improve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdBega Posted November 11, 2014 Members Share Posted November 11, 2014 Did you want to play like this BB? [YOUTUBE]QI5KOpv6EMg[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baldbloke Posted November 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted November 12, 2014 Umm, no. But if I have to I'll settle for it. How much $ do you want to tutor me up to that level? Money is no object for obtai ing such a talent as that shown in the video. Will it take more than 15 minutes? If so, I might as well just stay on the same level I am now. Pierre Bensusan would learn nothing about guitar techniques from me in 15 minutes. Of that I am certain. My goal? Click on the link. But i am sure i could never attain 2% of this hard work that got him there. (Talent? No. Talent is a word many people don't realise is the result of, and the enjoyment of, hard work) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Idunno Posted November 12, 2014 Members Share Posted November 12, 2014 Umm' date=' no. But if I have to I'll settle for it. How much $ do you want to tutor me up to that level? Money is no object for obtai ing such a talent as that shown in the video. Will it take more than 15 minutes? If so, I might as well just stay on the same level I am now. Pierre Bensusan would learn nothing about guitar techniques from me in 15 minutes. Of that I am certain. My goal? Click on the link. But i am sure i could never attain 2% of this hard work that got him there. [b'](Talent? No. Talent is a word many people don't realise is the result of, and the enjoyment of, hard work)[/b] True enough. Funny that it was coined to mean something completely different. Welcome Back, BB. I wish you fast returns on your own hard work. I'm a pretender, myself, but as I've learned to fool myself best I'm in good company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdBega Posted November 12, 2014 Members Share Posted November 12, 2014 A 033200 then an 022100 sounds pretty close. No charge BB For me it's this guy ...[YOUTUBE]ilZ3nE0B1sA[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamesp Posted November 12, 2014 Members Share Posted November 12, 2014 "I never practice my guitar — from time to time I just open the case and throw in a piece of raw meat" - Wes Montgomery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dick wiggins Posted November 12, 2014 Members Share Posted November 12, 2014 dpJusEX2fa8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baldbloke Posted November 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted November 12, 2014 Itsy bitsy spider! Dang. That made me realise maybe I need to put more effort in to learning advanced techniques. The secret must be in the nail varnish. Anyone know what brand? where I can buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baldbloke Posted November 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted November 12, 2014 I've heard that it's possible to have those guitar skills that you always wanted if you sell your soul to the devil. Can you fwd me his email address, please?. On second thoughts, phone number would be quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baldbloke Posted November 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted November 12, 2014 Re: that email address. It's ok. I found it. "Rupert. Murdoch@sky.com" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Idunno Posted November 13, 2014 Members Share Posted November 13, 2014 Nail varnish? No. I'm pretty sure it lies elsewhere but I wouldn't mind a closer examination to be sure. Technique. Is that a worthy pursuit? In search of technique. Just doesn't warm a body up or compel the mind. In search of passion does, though. If not for the two syllables it would be a dirty word. What is it about music that some people simply cannot be satisfied just by listening to it? Their passion drives them further into its exploration. Some go for the musicology angle. They want to study it from roots to branches to cyclical changes. Others get genre specific itis, like the blues, and immerse themselves into it. It certainly has power over people. I don't know quite where I fit in. I don't have genre-itis. I don't care about the who's-who of it. I often can't stand being within earshot of it because some aspect puts me off. I'm a mess. But, I play what I play and that seems to be my requiem for a gypsy past. I have various pieces I wrote that stand as marks in time. Weathered sign posts. I can remember where I was and what I was doing by them. They chart me. Practice is something I don't think I've considered for a long time as an essential part of what I need to do with music. I had a somewhat recent discussion with a member on another forum who decided to busk. We talked about how we thought we were at a certain level of accomplishment only to find out that it takes a serious player to be more than who we are, or were at that time. I haven't had a recent discussion with him to learn where he is now but he seemed dedicated to bettering himself. Maybe some simple goals for the possessor of modest skills is all one can ask or expect. Accomplishment without set goals isn't always packaged in revelation. It's usually a silent, slow, oblivious gathering of bits and pieces that don't consciously reward the impatient pupil. Seems to me achieving set goals might provide some measure of gain. Passion is, though, an impatient master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baldbloke Posted November 13, 2014 Author Members Share Posted November 13, 2014 Nail varnish? No. I'm pretty sure it lies elsewhere but I wouldn't mind a closer examination to be sure. Technique. Is that a worthy pursuit? In search of technique. Just doesn't warm a body up or compel the mind. In search of passion does' date=' though. If not for the two syllables it would be a dirty word. What is it about music that some people simply cannot be satisfied just by listening to it? Their passion drives them further into its exploration. Some go for the musicology angle. They want to study it from roots to branches to cyclical changes. Others get genre specific itis, like the blues, and immerse themselves into it. It certainly has power over people. I don't know quite where I fit in. I don't have genre-itis. I don't care about the who's-who of it. I often can't stand being within earshot of it because some aspect puts me off. I'm a mess. But, I play what I play and that seems to be my requiem for a gypsy past. I have various pieces I wrote that stand as marks in time. Weathered sign posts. I can remember where I was and what I was doing by them. They chart me. Practice is something I don't think I've considered for a long time as an essential part of what I need to do with music. I had a somewhat recent discussion with a member on another forum who decided to busk. We talked about how we thought we were at a certain level of accomplishment only to find out that it takes a serious player to be more than who we are, or were at that time. I haven't had a recent discussion with him to learn where he is now but he seemed dedicated to bettering himself. Maybe some simple goals for the possessor of modest skills is all one can ask or expect. Accomplishment without set goals isn't always packaged in revelation. It's usually a silent, slow, oblivious gathering of bits and pieces that don't consciously reward the impatient pupil. Seems to me achieving set goals might provide some measure of gain. Passion is, though, an impatient master.[/quote'] Very eloquent, Idunno. Wise words. But I reckon yer hustling the tuition fee. . You win though. How much to teach me to play like Tommy Emmanuel? I'm willing to practice for a full 30 minutes if the result is guaranteed. (Oh, good grief. I really am dragging this thread out, ain't I?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Idunno Posted November 14, 2014 Members Share Posted November 14, 2014 Learning guitar is all uphill. Is there a difference between practice and playing? Some discussions on it say no, others say yes and attempt to analyze it. Tutorials abound on it from the 4-note awesome blues player ads on this site to tubes and tubes of styles and techniques and whatnot exposes of varying skill levels all designed to appeal to the ambitious. There was a time when I looked at the guitar as a challenge I wanted to master. Then I looked at it like a master I'd like to challenge. After that it was Bugs Bunny to my Elmer Fudd and that's where I am now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdBega Posted November 14, 2014 Members Share Posted November 14, 2014 When I was young my girlfriend asked me if I wanted to perform sex with her I told her that I didn't think I was up to a performance but we could practice instead ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamesp Posted November 14, 2014 Members Share Posted November 14, 2014 I get the idea of just playing music, but for me it depends on what I'm trying to play. A Beatles song or Dylan, I can open a songbook and play at least somewhat musically right away. But Bach? Not this kid. That's gonna take me a couple of weeks of practice. And it won't sound anything like music for the first day or two. Last week I had a rush job on an old showtune. It had twenty chords in all, and they change every two beats modulating through three keys. Again, not this kid. That took me three days. I don't necessarily love practicing, but to play the music I want to play musically it's a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Idunno Posted November 14, 2014 Members Share Posted November 14, 2014 Somewhere over a rainbow... I think I've stopped looking past my own reality and finally settled on being me. The funny thing about that is the challenges I know I can do are still there so it isn't defeatism. It's more like shaking off laziness. Learning curve, meet wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdBega Posted November 15, 2014 Members Share Posted November 15, 2014 In the past I would practice more intricate pieces up until the time I'd almost have it nailed then for some reason it loses all appeal to me. It's just a hobby for me ... I could never be a musician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamesp Posted November 15, 2014 Members Share Posted November 15, 2014 Somewhere over a rainbow... I think I've stopped looking past my own reality and finally settled on being me. The funny thing about that is the challenges I know I can do are still there so it isn't defeatism. It's more like shaking off laziness. Learning curve, meet wall. If I were settled on being me, I'd probably just say to heck with practicing and go skiing. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Idunno Posted November 15, 2014 Members Share Posted November 15, 2014 Gravity is cheap fuel and fun to burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members baldbloke Posted November 15, 2014 Author Members Share Posted November 15, 2014 Repetition is reinforcement. One gets better at repetition. Bad habits can also be reinforced by repetition in my limited experience. Reinforcement of a basic skill is not bad in itself but it is not necessarily always improvement. One of my rare 'Ahah' moments occurred when improvising whilst playing a tune. (F***k**g hell, that sounded better, thought I). If the improvisation was an improvement it enourages confidence in exploration. If it doesn't , then basic skills need more work. No shortcuts though. I suspect there are few, if any, born musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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