Members raggety Posted May 4, 2005 Members Posted May 4, 2005 how do YOU go about this? i can play some scales, you know the usual pentatonics at fifth and twelth fret etc. but i was wondering how do you find the link to join those scales ? say for EG i want to improvise a solo that starts at Fifth fret then jumps to 12th, do most people just leap between those frets or is there some cool way to link notes to get there? i get kinda stuck between playing the solo at only the fifth fret and not knowing how to move up to the next portion without hitting bum notes her and there all the way up. also is it worthwhile learning this kinda major scale on the neck ? or is it better to just use the simpler scales, which most people use in 99% of folk/rock/blues songs ??
Members TheBlueGuy Posted May 5, 2005 Members Posted May 5, 2005 Originally posted by raggety how do YOU go about this? i can play some scales, you know the usual pentatonics at fifth and twelth fret etc. but i was wondering how do you find the link to join those scales ? say for EG i want to improvise a solo that starts at Fifth fret then jumps to 12th, do most people just leap between those frets or is there some cool way to link notes to get there? i get kinda stuck between playing the solo at only the fifth fret and not knowing how to move up to the next portion without hitting bum notes her and there all the way up. Errr, learn the notes in between those positions! I guess the easiest way for you to do that is by playing notes you're playing now (or the same notes an octave away), but on another string. So if you have a C note on the 8th fret of the 6th string, you can also play the same note an octave higher on the 10th fret of the 4th string--and so on. or is it better to just use the simpler scales, which most people use in 99% of folk/rock/blues songs ?? Well, it's up to you, but if you don't wanna sound like 99% of the other guitarists out there, then you might wanna learn a different way of playing. Buy a book on modes and jam along with a CD using each mode over every song. A lot of what you'll play might sound bad, but there will be a few jems you can remember to spice up your playing.
Members bobthemerciful Posted May 5, 2005 Members Posted May 5, 2005 Learn everything you can think of. I dont believe there is such a thing as too much knowledge. Doesn't mean you have to try and use all of it all the time. If you learn scales all over the neck, the idea is that when you hear that really cool solo in your head you don't have to pull your hair out cos you don't know where on the fretboard to play it, you'll at least have an idea of where to do it cos you know the sound of the notes on the fretboard. For me any way, the time to wonder what scale to use is before or after you solo. I personally am not good enough to think about it while I'm doing it, unless I'm trying to play an example of what you can do with a scale for a student, in which case I would stick rigidly to whatever the scale in question was. I used to only know how to play in four bits of the neck for years. Very limiting but I didn't realise it 'til I had lessons. Set me free, for want of a better expression. Don't forget it's sposed to be fun as well!! Peace
Members Jeff5 Posted May 5, 2005 Members Posted May 5, 2005 The best advice I can give you is this. Learn the fingering patterns for the pentatonic and diatoinc scales all over the neck. Do it in one key, say E minor. (so common) The patterns do not change at all with different keys, just where you play them on the neck does. I'm not saying don't learn notes, intervals, modes, etc., definatley do. Know what key your in, what scale your using, what notes your going to and from. But if you want to learn how to play all over the neck this is the best way that I can think of.
Members Jeff5 Posted May 5, 2005 Members Posted May 5, 2005 A good example is that diagram you showed. That diagram is in F# Minor/A Major. Your modes would be: F# Aeolian (spelling? hehe. Your most commmon minor scale)G# LocrianA Ionian (Major)B DorianC# PhrygianD LydianE Mixolydian The pattern that's written out there DOES NOT change from key to key. Whether your in F# Minor/A Major as that is, or EMinor/GMajor, A Minor/CMajor its all the same. What DOES change is the position on the fretboard in which you play them. For instance, if you were playing in A Minor/C Major you'd start that scale pattern that the diagram you have shows at the 5th fret instead of 2nd fret. And link them together and play the patterns the exact same way it shows there, just transposing it up a few frets. I hope that makes sense. Its kind of hard to explain but once you get it its like WOW!
Members edeltorus Posted May 6, 2005 Members Posted May 6, 2005 I can't really help since it's hard to explain exactly how I do it, but maybe my approach to learn it will help you. There are two approaches I have to soloing: a pentatonic / positional approach, and a chordal approach. The positional thing goes like this: I am very familiar with the first position minor pentatonic and the two extra-notes that turn it into the aeolian mode (natural minor). In this "box" I can play/improvise over pretty much any kind of music I play. Then there are the higher positions, a third and a 4th above. In these I have a bunch of cliche
Members Little Dreamer Posted May 6, 2005 Members Posted May 6, 2005 As you can see from that fretboard diagram you posted, a scale exists over the entire length of the fretboard, not just at the 5th or 12th fret. Learn to play it all over the fretboard. Then you'll find yourself playing up and down the neck, and not just across a certain fret. You just have to jam along with a rhythm track and learn to play licks that you make up as you go. It's a very long process. As far as simple scales vs. ones with 7 notes in them, they're both very useful. For rock and metal music, learn the pentatonic minor first, and the blues scale, then the major scale and its modes. But when I say "learn" them, I don't mean play them from lowest note to highest and back down, I mean use them to jam over a rhythm track.
Members bobthemerciful Posted May 6, 2005 Members Posted May 6, 2005 Originally posted by Little Dreamer As you can see from that fretboard diagram you posted, a scale exists over the entire length of the fretboard, not just at the 5th or 12th fret. Learn to play it all over the fretboard. Then you'll find yourself playing up and down the neck, and not just across a certain fret. You just have to jam along with a rhythm track and learn to play licks that you make up as you go. It's a very long process. As far as simple scales vs. ones with 7 notes in them, they're both very useful. For rock and metal music, learn the pentatonic minor first, and the blues scale, then the major scale and its modes. But when I say "learn" them, I don't mean play them from lowest note to highest and back down, I mean use them to jam over a rhythm track. +1,000 What I should have posted :cool:
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