Members sukeetoshyoo88 Posted January 1, 2006 Members Posted January 1, 2006 i need some help with figureing out how to put the numbers in the letters.... i always see stuff like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7, 1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7 and that's supposed to tell you what notes are in a scale/mode , given that you have a root. i've always learned it as, r 2 2 1 2 2 2 1. and this tell you how many frets away it is so in the key of C it would be C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C. i wanna learn how to do it the first way, but i get confused on how to do it....can someone explain this to me please?
Members joenovice Posted January 1, 2006 Members Posted January 1, 2006 You must know the root and the pattern for major scales first. This will tell you the key of the major scale based on the root. W-W-1/2-W-W-W-1/2 These are all whole steps and 1/2 steps. Starting on any note you create a major scale. Once you know the names of the notes in that key you can use the number system to apply changes. ex. G major - G A B C D E F#G w-w-1/2-w-w-w-1/2 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 use this formula to create G A Bb C D Eb F G - G minor Learn all 12 key signatures for major scales first. If you can't name every note in any key spend more time on the basics. ( What's the 6th note in Eb major? )
Members sukeetoshyoo88 Posted January 1, 2006 Author Members Posted January 1, 2006 6th note in Eb majjor would be C, and the notes would be Eb Fb G Ab Bb C D Eb is this correct?
Members joenovice Posted January 1, 2006 Members Posted January 1, 2006 Kind of..... Yes C is the 6th. and the notes would be Eb Fb G Ab Bb C D Eb No..... it should be 3-flats. Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb. I see where you missed it. There is no such thing as E# because it's the same note as F. A whole-step from Eb is F. There are no 1/2 steps between E/F and B/C.
Members Stackabones Posted January 1, 2006 Members Posted January 1, 2006 Maybe this will help in learning the order of sharps and flats. For sharps, learn this sentence: "Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Birds." Each letter of the sentence corresponds to the note that is to receive the sharp. So, Fat=F#; Cats=C#; and so forth. In sharp keys, the key is one half-step above the last sharp. So, take the first sharp, F#, raise it a half-step--and, voila, the key is G. Rinse. Repeat. N.B. When you get to "Eating" (that's six sharps, F# C# G# D# A# E#), the key is F# major, not F major. Why? Because of that first F# is still hanging around. The flats don't have quite as catchy mnemonic (maybe someone can help out on this one): "BEAD Gum Candy Fruit." So the B, is Bb; the E is Eb; and so on. In flat keys, the key is the preceding flat. So with two flats, Bb and Eb, the key would be Bb. One flat (Bb) is a bit tricky--cause there's nothing before it, is there? Look at the end of the flat mnemonic, "Fruit." That's it, one flat is the key of F. Or, if that's a bit odd, just remember that one flat means the key of F! To figure out what 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 are in each key just figure what the sharps and flats are and plug away. In E, there are four sharps, F# C# G# D# (Fat Cats Go Down). In E, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7=E F# G# A B C# D#. If you needed to figure out 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 in E, you'd just alter the corresponding tones from the major key. So in E, 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7=E F# G (the b3, originally G#) A B C (the b6, originally C#) D#. Hope that helps.
Members sukeetoshyoo88 Posted January 2, 2006 Author Members Posted January 2, 2006 Originally posted by joenovice Kind of.....Yes C is the 6th.No..... it should be 3-flats. Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb.I see where you missed it.There is no such thing as E# because it's the same note as F. A whole-step from Eb is F. There are no 1/2 steps between E/F and B/C. i always forget about those damn Fs
Members sukeetoshyoo88 Posted January 2, 2006 Author Members Posted January 2, 2006 Originally posted by Stackabones Maybe this will help in learning the order of sharps and flats. For sharps, learn this sentence: "Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Birds." Each letter of the sentence corresponds to the note that is to receive the sharp. So, Fat=F#; Cats=C#; and so forth. In sharp keys, the key is one half-step above the last sharp. So, take the first sharp, F#, raise it a half-step--and, voila, the key is G. Rinse. Repeat.N.B. When you get to "Eating" (that's six sharps, F# C# G# D# A# E#), the key is F# major, not F major. Why? Because of that first F# is still hanging around. The flats don't have quite as catchy mnemonic (maybe someone can help out on this one): "BEAD Gum Candy Fruit." So the B, is Bb; the E is Eb; and so on. In flat keys, the key is the preceding flat. So with two flats, Bb and Eb, the key would be Bb. One flat (Bb) is a bit tricky--cause there's nothing before it, is there? Look at the end of the flat mnemonic, "Fruit." That's it, one flat is the key of F. Or, if that's a bit odd, just remember that one flat means the key of F!To figure out what 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 are in each key just figure what the sharps and flats are and plug away. In E, there are four sharps, F# C# G# D# (Fat Cats Go Down). In E, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7=E F# G# A B C# D#. If you needed to figure out 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 in E, you'd just alter the corresponding tones from the major key. So in E, 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7=E F# G (the b3, originally G#) A B C (the b6, originally C#) D#. Hope that helps. .....this is quite confusing..i really didn't follow most of what you were saying....
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