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i need some help with figureing out how to put the numbers in the letters....

 

i always see stuff like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7, 1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7 and that's supposed to tell you what notes are in a scale/mode , given that you have a root.

 

i've always learned it as, r 2 2 1 2 2 2 1. and this tell you how many frets away it is so in the key of C it would be C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C.

 

 

i wanna learn how to do it the first way, but i get confused on how to do it....can someone explain this to me please?

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You must know the root and the pattern for major scales first. This will tell you the key of the major scale based on the root.

 

W-W-1/2-W-W-W-1/2

 

 

These are all whole steps and 1/2 steps. Starting on any note you create a major scale.

 

 

Once you know the names of the notes in that key you can use the number system to apply changes.

 

ex.

 

G major - G A B C D E F#G

w-w-1/2-w-w-w-1/2

 

1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 use this formula to create

 

G A Bb C D Eb F G - G minor

 

 

 

 

Learn all 12 key signatures for major scales first. If you can't name every note in any key spend more time on the basics.

 

( What's the 6th note in Eb major? )

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Kind of.....

 

Yes C is the 6th.

 

 

 

and the notes would be Eb Fb G Ab Bb C D Eb

 

 

No..... it should be 3-flats. Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb.

 

 

I see where you missed it.

 

There is no such thing as E# because it's the same note as F. A whole-step from Eb is F.

 

There are no 1/2 steps between E/F and B/C.

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Maybe this will help in learning the order of sharps and flats.

 

For sharps, learn this sentence: "Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Birds." Each letter of the sentence corresponds to the note that is to receive the sharp. So, Fat=F#; Cats=C#; and so forth.

 

In sharp keys, the key is one half-step above the last sharp. So, take the first sharp, F#, raise it a half-step--and, voila, the key is G. Rinse. Repeat.

 

N.B. When you get to "Eating" (that's six sharps, F# C# G# D# A# E#), the key is F# major, not F major. Why? Because of that first F# is still hanging around.

 

The flats don't have quite as catchy mnemonic (maybe someone can help out on this one): "BEAD Gum Candy Fruit." So the B, is Bb; the E is Eb; and so on.

 

In flat keys, the key is the preceding flat. So with two flats, Bb and Eb, the key would be Bb. One flat (Bb) is a bit tricky--cause there's nothing before it, is there? Look at the end of the flat mnemonic, "Fruit." That's it, one flat is the key of F. Or, if that's a bit odd, just remember that one flat means the key of F!

 

To figure out what 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 are in each key just figure what the sharps and flats are and plug away.

 

In E, there are four sharps, F# C# G# D# (Fat Cats Go Down). In E, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7=E F# G# A B C# D#.

 

If you needed to figure out 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 in E, you'd just alter the corresponding tones from the major key. So in E, 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7=E F# G (the b3, originally G#) A B C (the b6, originally C#) D#.

 

Hope that helps.

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Originally posted by joenovice

Kind of.....


Yes C is the 6th.





No..... it should be 3-flats. Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb.



I see where you missed it.


There is no such thing as E# because it's the same note as F. A whole-step from Eb is F.


There are no 1/2 steps between E/F and B/C.

 

 

 

i always forget about those damn Fs

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Originally posted by Stackabones

Maybe this will help in learning the order of sharps and flats.


For sharps, learn this sentence: "Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Birds." Each letter of the sentence corresponds to the note that is to receive the sharp. So, Fat=F#; Cats=C#; and so forth.


In sharp keys, the key is one half-step above the last sharp. So, take the first sharp, F#, raise it a half-step--and, voila, the key is G. Rinse. Repeat.


N.B. When you get to "Eating" (that's six sharps, F# C# G# D# A# E#), the key is F# major, not F major. Why? Because of that first F# is still hanging around.


The flats don't have quite as catchy mnemonic (maybe someone can help out on this one): "BEAD Gum Candy Fruit." So the B, is Bb; the E is Eb; and so on.


In flat keys, the key is the preceding flat. So with two flats, Bb and Eb, the key would be Bb. One flat (Bb) is a bit tricky--cause there's nothing before it, is there? Look at the end of the flat mnemonic, "Fruit." That's it, one flat is the key of F. Or, if that's a bit odd, just remember that one flat means the key of F!


To figure out what 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 are in each key just figure what the sharps and flats are and plug away.


In E, there are four sharps, F# C# G# D# (Fat Cats Go Down). In E, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7=E F# G# A B C# D#.


If you needed to figure out 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 in E, you'd just alter the corresponding tones from the major key. So in E, 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7=E F# G (the b3, originally G#) A B C (the b6, originally C#) D#.


Hope that helps.

 

 

 

.....this is quite confusing..i really didn't follow most of what you were saying....

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