Members sip Posted February 4, 2006 Members Posted February 4, 2006 please dont flame me for being stupid I am looking into learning new scales, and I have very little knowlege about which i should look for. I already have been practicing five major pentatonic boxes, the chromatic scale (1-2-3-4), and the major scale. Thats about the extent of my guitar scale knowledge. Basically i find myself listening to guitar solos and hearing them play scales that i cant identify. I do my best to discover the scales for myself but I could really use some direction. For example, in fade to black by metallica, i believe he is playing the dorian scale. I saw this link in another thread: http://chrisjuergensen.com.hosting.domaindirect.com/modes_1.htm now here are my questions. 1. That link shows 5 boxes of the dorian scale. What fret do i start on for each box? (for example, with the g major pentatonic scale, it would be 3 - 6 - 8 - 10 - 12) In that link, the boxes are not labeled with which fret I'm supposed to begin with if i want to play the dorian boxes up the neck in the same key. 2. As a sort of beginner, what other scales/modes might i find useful? I'd like to find out which scales my favorite bands use when they play guitar solos. I'm into lots of different music, but if anyone knows what sort of scales tool, dredg, the mars volta, 311, dire straits, red hot chili peppers, rush, rage against the machine, primus, alice in chains ect. use in their music, I would be grateful if you could share this information with me. typing "metallica scales" into google doesnt really get me anywhere I apologize if i made anyone angry with my questions, hopefully you guys dont consider metallica do be as bad as blink182 or greenday. I appreciate any help i can get.
Members UFOScorpion Posted February 4, 2006 Members Posted February 4, 2006 Nothing stupid about your question, except the answer can be readily found. There are dozens of sites devoted to scales and chords. There have been dozens of posts here on the same thing. Actually, you may want to look for modes, not scales. Anyway, the "search" button is located at the top, next to the "home" button. After you've read all the posts that come up, and followed any good links, you may have some more questions. Good Luck.
Members raggety Posted February 4, 2006 Members Posted February 4, 2006 To play in the key of G, start with the shape (pattern 4) on the note F# (second fret bottom E string) then the first shape (pattern 4) from the site you posted goes like this.... e-2-3-5 a-2-3-5 d-2-4-5 g-2-4-5 b-3-5-- e-2-3-5 then play pattern 5, then 1, then 2, then 3. and if you want to play higher start with pattern 4 again, you should by now be at the 14th fret and the whole sequence starts again. if you get stuck try this site to help with finding the right scale shape http://www.jguitar.com/scale?notes=flats&labels=letter if you wanna play in a different key or mode the shapes always stay the same and they always run in the same sequence. E.G. To play in The key of A start with pattern 4 at the fourth fret (G#) or you could start with pattern 1 at the 9th fret but you would still follow with next shape (pattern 2, then 3 etc..) afterwards hope this helps you understand
Members sip Posted February 4, 2006 Author Members Posted February 4, 2006 First of all, i'd like to say thanks to you both for your help. I understand everything you said, raggety, and I've been able to apply it.My question is with that scale shape link you gave me. Now if i wanted to reproduce a chart for what you said in your post (G Dorian), I put in: root: G, scale: dorian, fret : 2, note labels: none, sharps/flats: (?) And it basically gave me a chart that looks nothing like what you just told me. Perhaps i am entering the information incorrectly? It seems that that chart starts with the 5th pattern at the third fret. can you explain how i would use this tool?
Members raggety Posted February 4, 2006 Members Posted February 4, 2006 Originally posted by sip First of all, i'd like to say thanks to you both for your help. I understand everything you said, raggety, and I've been able to apply it. My question is with that scale shape link you gave me. Now if i wanted to reproduce a chart for what you said in your post (G Dorian), I put in: root: G, scale: dorian, fret : 2, note labels: none, sharps/flats: (?) And it basically gave me a chart that looks nothing like what you just told me. Perhaps i am entering the information incorrectly? It seems that that chart starts with the 5th pattern at the third fret. can you explain how i would use this tool? Yeh, G Dorian actually comes from the F major scale. where you are going wrong is that Dorian is actually the 'second' mode of G major.. G-IONIAN- MAJOR A-DORIAN- MINOR B-PHRYGIAN-MINOR C-LYDIAN-MAJOR D-MIXOLYDIAN-MAJOR E-AEOLIAN-MINOR F#-LOCRIAN-DIMINISHED Record the progression Am7- G and play the G scale over it and that will give you the A Dorian mode sound. likewise if you play the same G scale over the progression D-C-Em that will give you a Mixolydian sound. the scale ALWAYS stays the same- it is the backing chords which give each mode its flavour................... So in the key of C, if you wanted to play Dorian mode which chord would you choose as your main chord? the answer is Dm(7). if you wanted to play Phrygian mode which chord would you choose as your main chord? the answer is Em(7). C-IONIAN- MAJOR D-DORIAN- MINOR E-PHRYGIAN-MINOR F-LYDIAN-MAJOR G-MIXOLYDIAN-MAJOR A-AEOLIAN-MINOR B-LOCRIAN-DIMINISHED Do you see?
Members Mike7771 Posted February 4, 2006 Members Posted February 4, 2006 The "scales in tab" section of my site might help you out.
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