Members gennation Posted January 19, 2007 Members Posted January 19, 2007 http://gennation.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?p=75#75 This from a thread at allaboutjazz.com. This is in response to a comment regarding the "drop the b7 note of the Minor Pent scale" concept. The comment was posted by a forumite who is a pro jazzer, played with the Duke Ellington Band, Herbbie Handcock, and many more. This is my response to him... I'll be doing a full blown tutorial on this concept since it's a simple idea that has opened my doors for me breaking out jazz lines ala Miles, Benson, Martino, etc...
Members Virgman Posted January 20, 2007 Members Posted January 20, 2007 Steve Khan has written quite a treatise on this topic. "Pentatonic Khancepts". Look forward to reading your ideas.
Members gennation Posted January 20, 2007 Author Members Posted January 20, 2007 Yeah, check it out Virg. I need to do some pattern/lesson stuff with it. It fits PERFECT with the Tetra Chord ideas in Jazz too, or music in general. I've seen Steve's stuff before. What I saw was he spread the scales over a five fret are as opposed to a 3 fret area. The way he lays them out it immediately gives you unison stutters to help you create new lines. The idea I'm presenting is leaving out the b7 Interval of the Minor Pentatonic Scale. Then using all the possible Minor Pentatonic scales (with their b7's omitted) from your diatonic Key. It does help you get that unison note stagger too. But, once you get the basics, then you can add the 9 to each of the scales, or the b5 to each, then you can super-impose all of them together and BAM...you have some very nice origins of Jazz lines you can swing, fine endless chormatic passages, nice arps... And that's over minor chords. Then there's a few approaches for the Major chords too. Works like a charm. Yeah, a video is definitely in order on this subject.
Members gennation Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Posted January 22, 2007 Virg, have you had a chance to look at this? We have a new video camera in the house. I'll be doing a video lesson of the idea, it's kind of hard to teach without examples.
Members Virgman Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 I did a quick lookover but will be back for a thorough read.
Members gennation Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Posted January 22, 2007 I'll do some tabs up quickly to show a few places to play them at...
Members Monkeywork Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 there is a great deal about pentatonic, aolian, mixolydian.. all that at www.workshoplive.com take a week free to check it out www.workshoplive.com/playfreeThey'll take you from bare bones beginnner to ... well, oh my god types.over 1700 lessons online. see for yerself.
Members Virgman Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 Ok.Went through the Dominant Pentatonic tutorial & played the Dom Pent over A blues. It sounds cool and I want to try this over some different things to check it out. Very pleasing sound.Pretty damn easy to understand your explanation so kudos to you.If you combine the notes of the 3 minor pentatonics in a key it equals Dorian mode. This I knew so I'm following this.Also threw in some other scale notes to see what happens. It's good.
Members requiem156 Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 Very interesting. I'll check this out when I practice at home tonight. My only question is, if you are playing D, A, and E pentatonic minors over a Dmin/dorian setting, what is your thought process as you move from one to the other - is it just a question of opening up wider interval patterns? The notes are the same, obviously.
Members gennation Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Posted January 22, 2007 Very interesting. I'll check this out when I practice at home tonight. My only question is, if you are playing D, A, and E pentatonic minors over a Dmin/dorian setting, what is your thought process as you move from one to the other - is it just a question of opening up wider interval patterns? The notes are the same, obviously. Yes, D Minor Pent, E Minor Pent, and A Minor Pent. BUT...leave out the b7 from each of the scales. So, D Min Pent = D F G AE Min Pent = E G A BA Min Pent = A C D E It would be best to start the practice out using only the D and A Min Pents. The sound will be much more obvious and applicable rght off the bat. Then work in the E Min Pent. All of that over a Dm7 chord. REMEMBER NOT TO PLAY THE b7 FROM ANY OF THE SCALES. It's all in the write up. Follow the write up and it'll show you how to incorporate many new notes into it.
Members Virgman Posted January 23, 2007 Members Posted January 23, 2007 Mike, I played this over a rock progression too and it sounded very good also. As in one of your tabs I started on the b7, 3rd fret.. I also went in and out to a regular pentatonic pattern and Dorian mode in the same position which in this case was Am. Obviously, Aeolian would be more correct I suppose since this is more in that area I guess. I'll add this to the bag of tricks. The fingering for this is fairly comfortable.
Members gennation Posted January 23, 2007 Author Members Posted January 23, 2007 Mike, I played this over a rock progression too and it sounded very good also. As in one of your tabs I started on the b7, 3rd fret.. I also went in and out to a regular pentatonic pattern and Dorian mode in the same position which in this case was Am. Obviously, Aeolian would be more correct I suppose since this is more in that area I guess. I'll add this to the bag of tricks. The fingering for this is fairly comfortable. Virg, are you talking about the Dominant Pentatonic tutorial, or the overlapping Minor Pentatonic this I posted? Because the idea of the overlapping Min Pents is to NOT use the b7 within each scale.
Members Virgman Posted January 23, 2007 Members Posted January 23, 2007 Virg, are you talking about the Dominant Pentatonic tutorial, or the overlapping Minor Pentatonic this I posted? Because the idea of the overlapping Min Pents is to NOT use the b7 within each scale.Oops. I guess I went off on a tangent there. That was the Dominant Pentatonic idea I was doing.I don't know how that happened. Sorry about that.
Members gennation Posted January 23, 2007 Author Members Posted January 23, 2007 Oops. I guess I went off on a tangent there. That was the Dominant Pentatonic idea I was doing. I don't know how that happened. Sorry about that. LOL, no problem. Just want to be sure what you were talking about
Members Virgman Posted January 25, 2007 Members Posted January 25, 2007 Mike, I have read this again about the drop the b7. When you get a chance post a few tabs or licks and the chords it's being played over so I can noodle around with it. Thanks.
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