Members Inertiatic_SKS Posted January 9, 2008 Members Posted January 9, 2008 I've always been into really abstract, weird rock/hardcore, ala Botch, These Arms Are Snakes, the Fall of Troy and (I don't really listen to them anymore, but I do like their guitar parts) the Blood Brothers. I was talking to a friend about them and he said the key to getting the really weird sounding riffs is the minor 3rd interval. Is there an explanation for this and can anyone show me an example of a riff using minor 3rds?
Members makingbeds Posted January 9, 2008 Members Posted January 9, 2008 a classic riff with a minor third is title and registration by deathcab. the first two notes (f# and a) are a minor third apart. Basically, if you take any note and move up 3 half steps, its a minor third above the orignal note.
Members bdemon Posted January 9, 2008 Members Posted January 9, 2008 The minor 3rd weird? I tend to hear it as more dramatic, even sad at time. To me, "weird" would be minor seconds or #4/b5 (tritone) intervals. The band Korn used those quite a bit with their detuned guitars, which contributed to their dark sound in the 90s.
Members makingbeds Posted January 9, 2008 Members Posted January 9, 2008 bdemon, yes, i think a lot of people hear a minor third as dramatic when it is just alone. But with tritones or minor 6ths, i think it gets real epic real fast.
Members Dubb Posted January 10, 2008 Members Posted January 10, 2008 In all honesty, to say that minor thirds (or really any scale degree, for that matter) define anyone's sound is just ridiculous. I wouldn't worry too much about what your friend said - it's both vague and misleading.
Members Jasco Posted January 10, 2008 Members Posted January 10, 2008 In all honesty, to say that minor thirds (or really any scale degree, for that matter) define anyone's sound is just ridiculous. I wouldn't worry too much about what your friend said - it's both vague and misleading. Agreed. Each interval has it's own sound quality and no one uses any one interval primarily. They all work together.
Members Ian Hand Posted January 12, 2008 Members Posted January 12, 2008 The minor 3rd weird? I tend to hear it as more dramatic, even sad at time. To me, "weird" would be minor seconds or #4/b5 (tritone) intervals. The band Korn used those quite a bit with their detuned guitars, which contributed to their dark sound in the 90s. Maybe he could be talking about a scale of minor thirds i.e. the diminished scale - now that's weird sounding.
Members gennation Posted January 12, 2008 Members Posted January 12, 2008 Maybe he could be talking about a scale of minor thirds i.e. the diminished scale - now that's weird sounding. I would agree that that's exactly what he's talking about. Since a minor 3rd from the Root is just a m3, but a m3 from that is a b5 and another m3 is a bb6 and another m3 is a Root again, that's where you start getting "weird" if that's what you want to call it. Musically it would be called "unstable" or "tension". I have pretty good a few diminished tutorials I could post. There's also some great diminished info in my Phrygian Dominant Tutorial Lesson 19 and my Indian Slide Technique Part 2 lesson at my site.
Members Ian Hand Posted January 12, 2008 Members Posted January 12, 2008 I have pretty good a few diminished tutorials I could post. There's also some great diminished info in my Phrygian Dominant Tutorial Lesson 19 and my Indian Slide Technique Part 2 lesson at my site. Thanks for the links and I would be very interest in having a look at those tutorials. The diminished scale is something I've attempted to incorporate into my playing but never quite succeeded.
Members FlyingZ Posted January 12, 2008 Members Posted January 12, 2008 I looked at the first one and it was the Spanish scale which is a very cool scale however I have always considered 2 to 3 note dim7 arpeggios incorporated into the minor pentatonic scales as the true diminished scale feel. More notes then that and it's just another boring scale mode to me. l---l-o-l---l---l-o-l l-o-l-o-l---l-o-l-o-l l---l-o-l---l-o-l-o-l l-o-l-o-l---l-o-l---l l---l-o-l-o-l-o-l---l l---l-o-l---l---l-o-l Might be a name for it idk
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