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e|---------------------------

b|---------------------------

g|---------------------------

d|---------------------1--2--

a|-----------0--2--3--------

E|-0--1--4------------------

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There is no standard name, but it's occasionally called the "Double Harmonic Minor" scale. There are a number of other possibilities, too.

 

A functionally descriptive name:

A harmonic minor #4

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Yea...if you start on A then harmonic minor #4. Start on E then Phrygian dominant, natural 7th.

Randy Rhoads uses the b3 #4 type thing in the diary of a madman solo. (actually I believe the solo is in A so it might be based on this scale)

One way of looking at these is that its adding augmented 2nd intervals (1 1/2 steps) to the natural minor scale framework. Other places to use an augmented 2nd (besides b3 #4) are with a b2 - 3 (prhygian dominant) and a b6 7 (harmonic minor). I've heard those used more often than the b3 #4.

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check out the guitar grimoire scales/modes book, then tell me u invented a scale



Ah, child's play. :lol:

Try Slonimsky's Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns. Or Wayne Krantz Improviser's OS.

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Ah, child's play.
:lol:

Try Slonimsky's Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns.

 

Not popular amongst the brewtal lickmeisters. Plus, you have to be able to actually read music to use Slonimsky iirc.

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Yea...if you start on A then harmonic minor #4. Start on E then Phrygian dominant, natural 7th.


Randy Rhoads uses the b3 #4 type thing in the diary of a madman solo. (actually I believe the solo is in A so it might be based on this scale)


One way of looking at these is that its adding augmented 2nd intervals (1 1/2 steps) to the natural minor scale framework. Other places to use an augmented 2nd (besides b3 #4) are with a b2 - 3 (prhygian dominant) and a b6 7 (harmonic minor). I've heard those used more often than the b3 #4.

 

 

Wha? - you just crushed my musical brain

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Ah, child's play.
:lol:

Try Slonimsky's Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns. Or Wayne Krantz Improviser's OS.



is wayne krantz's improvisors OS worth getting? Ive heard mixed things on the price and quality of the book. Ive also heard that its nothing more than motif permutations

ill agree with you on slonimsky. i lent it to a friend and need to get it back!

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is wayne krantz's improvisors OS worth getting? Ive heard mixed things on the price and quality of the book. Ive also heard that its nothing more than motif permutations



 

 

In my opinion it is interesting but worthless for improvised music performance.

 

It could have some applications in composition, although I think there are better and more efficient approaches.

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There is no standard name, but it's occasionally called the "Double Harmonic Minor" scale. There are a number of other possibilities, too.


A functionally descriptive name:

A harmonic minor #4

 

 

 

in order to call it harmonic anything you would need a g#

 

if E is the root of the formula which is what i think your asking then you could call it major b9, b13 if you wanted to. if you can't play it throughout the neck without looking you should call it homework.

 

oh, the fourth mode of the formula built on A could be called dorian #11 as it relates to the mother formula ionian or as i like to call it, the major scale.

 

think of it like this

 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 is the major scale or mother formula. or WWHWWWH. any alteration of this formula could and historically has been given a name but it's really not necessary.

 

for example:

 

1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 is usually called mixolydian.

 

keep in mind this is rather advanced thinking. I find most students with these type of questions can't harmonize triads in c major so what's the point of knowing what the scale is if you don't have the mother mode down pat.

 

??? at least they pay cash.

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in order to call it harmonic anything you would need a g#




It does have a g#




if E is the root of the formula which is what i think your asking then you could call it major b9, b13 if you wanted to. if you can't play it throughout the neck without looking you should call it
homework.


oh, the fourth mode of the formula built on A could be called dorian #11 as it relates to the mother formula ionian or as i like to call it, the major scale.




Dorian would imply a major 6th. F# in relation to A.

The scale the original poster is inquiring about has an F natural, which is a minor 6th in relation to A.

So that formula built on A is harmonic minor with a #4. Just as Poparad said.

Looks like its time to do your homework. :lol::lol:

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