Members mosiddiqi Posted September 21, 2011 Members Posted September 21, 2011 I know we're not short on BT's at the moment ..but still. I did this one a couple of months ago, but forgot to post it in this forum. Got a fair few takers on other forums so hopefully you guys enjoy playing over it too!. It's not exactly phrygian as their is an Am add9 there..but..I treated it as such anyway. The chords are: Here's the BT: http://www.box.net/shared/s3re6076ap6skbkzsvb9 and here's me getting in touch with my inner Yngwie ..it's pretty wanky but I enjoyed playing it http://www.box.net/shared/3fvbdxstrkod8zzprj3v
Members NorthernPaul Posted September 22, 2011 Members Posted September 22, 2011 Well, I've got a couple of days off, so I'm gonna have a crack at this one. Nice playing Mo, you're bloody good at the old geetar mate!I've no idea what Phrygian is, I know it's a mode but I'll just use my developing knowledge of the Major scale and try to fit something in:thu:I have a question on technique. I've heard a lot of lightning fast runs in these BT Jams, are these mainly a series of hammer ons and pull offs? I ask, because I feel it's an area I need to improve on, and also because I'm not quick enough to fit in most of the stuff my brain wants to play:facepalm: I feel like I've been stuck at one speed for ages now:cry:Paul
Members mosiddiqi Posted September 22, 2011 Author Members Posted September 22, 2011 Thanks Paul!..there is a lot of information on the net about modes..some of it is even correct ..Phrygian is the third mode of the Major scale, and the notes for A Phrygian are A, Bb, C, D, E, F, G..the same as F Major you'll note..but will sound distinctively Phrygian when played over an Amin chord rather than F Major. Phrygian has a "Spanish" flavour to my ears. Regarding the faster runs, in my case, I pretty much alternate pick everything but many people will play more legato i.e hammers and pulls for speed. They both sound very different so it really depends on what you want to hear. Alternate picking sounds more aggressive to me, and legato sounds a lot smoother.
Members NorthernPaul Posted September 22, 2011 Members Posted September 22, 2011 Well I don't really want to get involved in modes yet, as I only started learning the C Major scale after the last BT you posted, but I'll ramble on a bit anyway to check my understanding. So its the same as C Major, but flatten the B? And thats also the same notes as F Major, but because its over an A minor progression (which is the relative minor of C major), it gives a modal sound because it's actually slightly out of key but not enough to offend our ears? More of a flavour to the music, like the blues note added to the pentatonic scale? As for the hammer ons etc, I've just discovered its a real weakness in my playing. I was drilling the major scale using only hammer ons and pulls, and lets just say I've found something I really need to practice:facepalm:. My bloody pinky may as well not exist, and I thought it was doing pretty good:lol: Paul
Members mosiddiqi Posted September 22, 2011 Author Members Posted September 22, 2011 Well I don't really want to get involved in modes yet, as I only started learning the C Major scale after the last BT you posted, but I'll ramble on a bit anyway to check my understanding. So its the same as C Major, but flatten the B? And thats also the same notes as F Major, but because its over an A minor progression (which is the relative minor of C major), it gives a modal sound because it's actually slightly out of key but not enough to offend our ears? More of a flavour to the music, like the blues note added to the pentatonic scale? As for the hammer ons etc, I've just discovered its a real weakness in my playing. I was drilling the major scale using only hammer ons and pulls, and lets just say I've found something I really need to practice:facepalm:. My bloody pinky may as well not exist, and I thought it was doing pretty good:lol: Paul Yes, and "A flavour to the music" is a good way to describe it..that's how I "hear" modes myself ..others will no doubt be more eloquent. It's good to practise hammers/pulls/alternate picking/economy picking as they all give you different sounds, and therefore more options to realise what you want to express. I tend to practise these with both a completely clean sound AND also a distorted sound as they provide different challenges..for example, a clean tone forces you to focus on getting the hammers/pulls sounding even and consistent..and a distorted tone makes you work on making sure you're muting any unwanted noise correctly.
Members NorthernPaul Posted September 22, 2011 Members Posted September 22, 2011 Nice one, cheers for the tips Mo:thu:I'm glad some of my theory is starting to make sense in the bigger scheme of things, and it was all learned from reading this forum and asking a the odd question:thu:Still a looooonnnggg way to go though!!!
Members Warren G Posted September 22, 2011 Members Posted September 22, 2011 Mosi, I really like this backing track, expecially what you played over it....it's flawless! Some impressive runs! I listened to the backing track and heard some ideas in my head, now the challenge is to attempt to play the ideas in time and get them recorded! Going to take a stab at it over the next couple of days. I'm a relative newbie at improvisation and recording (with a decent understanding of modes....thanks to the internet!) so hopefully it wont take as many takes as it did with the Major Chord BT you posted earlier
Members TrickyBoy Posted September 22, 2011 Members Posted September 22, 2011 Wow Mo, that's really good. I really need to get my computer set back up so I can record stuff. I wanna take a whack at this on
Members mosiddiqi Posted September 22, 2011 Author Members Posted September 22, 2011 Wow Mo, that's really good. I really need to get my computer set back up so I can record stuff. I wanna take a whack at this on Cheers Tricky! Bring it! :rawk:
Members oldschoolshred Posted September 23, 2011 Members Posted September 23, 2011 Very nice playing Mo. I enjoyed hearing your licks plenty and you get a great sound. Care to share the gear and editing you used?
Members mosiddiqi Posted September 23, 2011 Author Members Posted September 23, 2011 Very nice playing Mo. I enjoyed hearing your licks plenty and you get a great sound. Care to share the gear and editing you used? Thank you!...I put together the BT using Addictive Drums which is terrific (similar to EZ Drummer I think, drag and drop loops or create your own from scratch). For the Bass and Guitars, I use Guitar Rig 4 (about to upgrade to GP5 next week!). The rhythm guitar used the "Twang Reverb" amp, and the bass was the "Bass pro" amp..all pretty standard settings...I used my old Squier musicmaster bass..I love it!. The lead guitar used the "Plex" model amp with a "Cat" (I think they mean Rat ) distortion pedal model, "Twin Delay" and "Studio Reverb"...which is pretty much the standard "Ynwgie" preset, but I tweaked the amp tone to suit me. Both lead/rhythm parts were played on my trusty US Standard Strat with Kinman Woodstock Plus pickups..my absolute favourite noiseless Strat pickups All recorded in Reaper using Guitar Rigs own "Session" USB interface..cheap, but does the job with zero latency. Hope that helps!
Members oldschoolshred Posted September 30, 2011 Members Posted September 30, 2011 Thank you!...I put together the BT using Addictive Drums which is terrific (similar to EZ Drummer I think, drag and drop loops or create your own from scratch). For the Bass and Guitars, I use Guitar Rig 4 (about to upgrade to GP5 next week!). The rhythm guitar used the "Twang Reverb" amp, and the bass was the "Bass pro" amp..all pretty standard settings...I used my old Squier musicmaster bass..I love it!. The lead guitar used the "Plex" model amp with a "Cat" (I think they mean Rat ) distortion pedal model, "Twin Delay" and "Studio Reverb"...which is pretty much the standard "Ynwgie" preset, but I tweaked the amp tone to suit me. Both lead/rhythm parts were played on my trusty US Standard Strat with Kinman Woodstock Plus pickups..my absolute favourite noiseless Strat pickups All recorded in Reaper using Guitar Rigs own "Session" USB interface..cheap, but does the job with zero latency. Hope that helps! So all the stuff you used is digital? Wow, you fooled me. Good job, bro. Awesome playing.
Members mosiddiqi Posted September 30, 2011 Author Members Posted September 30, 2011 So all the stuff you used is digital? Wow, you fooled me. Good job, bro. Awesome playing. Thanks! ...the modelling/plug in stuff is becoming very, very good to my ears. I've just been messing with Guitar Rig 5 and it is killer.
Members Warren G Posted September 30, 2011 Members Posted September 30, 2011 Well I finally found some time to take a stab at this BT...not many takers so far. After many attempts and do overs, below is my take thankshttp://soundcloud.com/warren-gilmour/a-phryg
Members mosiddiqi Posted October 1, 2011 Author Members Posted October 1, 2011 Well I finally found some time to take a stab at this BT...not many takers so far. After many attempts and do overs, below is my take thanks http://soundcloud.com/warren-gilmour/a-phryg Nice Warren!..I like the bluesy approach you took to it rather than my more obvious phrygian sound...nice and melodic too!. I think you could get some more colour by way of vibrato and varying your attack a bit
Members NorthernPaul Posted October 1, 2011 Members Posted October 1, 2011 Nice one Warren, I listened to it at work earlier but couldn't post!! I still need to get something done for this, stupid old life getting in the way;-)
Members Warren G Posted October 1, 2011 Members Posted October 1, 2011 Nice Warren!..I like the bluesy approach you took to it rather than my more obvious phrygian sound...nice and melodic too!. I think you could get some more colour by way of vibrato and varying your attack a bit thanks Mosi....this time around I made a somewhat conscious effort to add some vibrato, maybe it's not detectable on the recording...definitely something i need to work on though.. With varying my attack, do you mean, playing some notes faster and other notes slower? Nice one Warren, I listened to it at work earlier but couldn't post!! Thanks northern paul....I had the same issue yesterday...couldnt post either.
Members stomias Posted October 1, 2011 Members Posted October 1, 2011 Took a swing. Not in my studio so using my at "work guitar" and such.........................and what the hell another northwoods pic. Juvenile loon, like me!!!!! phrygjam.mp3 - 2.41 MB
Members sfarfsky Posted October 1, 2011 Members Posted October 1, 2011 nice chops mos That lick you do at 1:27 is the one yngwie's most copied lick
Members mosiddiqi Posted October 1, 2011 Author Members Posted October 1, 2011 nice chops mos That lick you do at 1:27 is the one yngwie's most copied lick Thanks!..the pedal tone thing?...yeah, I ripped that straight from our Swedish friend.
Members Warren G Posted October 2, 2011 Members Posted October 2, 2011 I meant varying how hard you pick, laying off sometimes, digging in other times...y'know..just like having a conversation..emphasising certain bits and going quiet on other bits...dynamics is what I mean I guess Ok, Im with ya now...lead playing is fairly new to me so still getting down some of the terminology that comes along with it!Stomias...I loved your take, very relaxed feel to it....I pictured myself floating around in a boat on that lake in your photo!
Members NorthernPaul Posted October 3, 2011 Members Posted October 3, 2011 Nice take Stomias, very mellow and some really lush sounding notes in there:love: I've finally had time to get something done for this, probably due to HC being down for ages:lol: I'm not even sure if it sounds Phrygian, and I'm not too pleased with the results after about 4 hours. I think it's a bit boring, but if I carried on editing I'd be on the same thing for weeks. Obvious mistake about 0:42 too. Here it is:cry:http://www.box.net/shared/ekatixz8dkfsu45ekny0 I was reading about some of you doing it one take, and basically seeing what came out. This one was actually two takes, as I made a terrible noise when my hand slipped off the entire fretboard at one point, so I recorded over that bit and continued. It's completey improvised, with terrible timing and plenty of mistakes. But it's honest and doesn't lie:thu:http://www.box.net/shared/d7gjn82b7vrorjjgp8g9 I'm really trying to work on new 'expressions' in my playing, and also getting out of the old pentatonic boxes. I'm beginning to think it's a case of picking a note you want to hear, then finding an entertaining way to get to it on time. Can it be that simple:facepalm: Paul
Members polishpaul Posted October 3, 2011 Members Posted October 3, 2011 @ NorthernPaul and Warren G............. Nice takes, guys. I'd love to hear you come back in with a fresh take each in a few days time. Listen to what you played, and get your heads into sharper phrasing. As Mo wrote - dynamics. It's quite okay to run up to a phrase just hitting the same note a few times........attack! You're both sounding better and more confident than in the last BT we did, the major chord jam. I'm going to give this one a go, but life is really interfering with my hobbies at the moment. Now, over to Stomias.............then to the others.
Members polishpaul Posted October 3, 2011 Members Posted October 3, 2011 I'm beginning to think it's a case of picking a note you want to hear, then finding an entertaining way to get to it on time. Can it be that simple:facepalm: Paul Erm...........I think it is , generally. But there's just a lot of notes you want to get to hear pretty fast, sometimes.....................lots of entertainment required, therefore .
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