Members possopo Posted April 2, 2012 Members Share Posted April 2, 2012 hi again everyone ! this Cat stevens' song I'm trying to analyze causes me a headache somewhere : Am / D / G / Cmaj7 / F / Dm / E / / / Am / D / G / Cmaj7 / F / Dm / E / G7 / / / C / G / Am / F / G / F / C / Dm E first, my ear says the song is in the key of C (that's definitely because of the voice). but in the verse, the position of C is quite strange (not first, not last, somewhere in the middle). Am would make more sense in the last part of the verse and intro (first chords of the sequenceand E would be the dominant). and the middle part would be in C (with G to C). Am / D / G / Cmaj7 / : A Dorian (and/or C Mixolydian) F / Dm / E / / / : A Harmonic Minor G7 : I really need help on this one !!! it seems to me like there's another change of mood. same question again (see my other threads:D) : is it a common chord progression ? then I think the key changes back to C (do key changes happen often in pop music) ? C / G / Am / F / G / F / C / : C major scale Dm E : I guess we're back on A harmonic minor do you think I'm correct and what is this G7 mystery all about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JonR Posted April 3, 2012 Members Share Posted April 3, 2012 hi again everyone ! this Cat stevens' song I'm trying to analyze causes me a headache somewhere : Am / D / G / Cmaj7 / F / Dm / E / / / Am / D / G / Cmaj7 / F / Dm / E / G7 / / / C / G / Am / F / G / F / C / Dm E first, my ear says the song is in the key of C (that's definitely because of the voice). but in the verse, the position of C is quite strange (not first, not last, somewhere in the middle). Am would make more sense in the last part of the verse and intro (first chords of the sequenceand E would be the dominant). and the middle part would be in C (with G to C). That's it, essentially. The verse sequence is all A minor, although that D (D7) teases by leading us to hear G as a temporary tonic (Am-D7-G = ii-V-I in G major). The Cmaj7 then seems like the IV (no need to bring modes into this, it's purely key-based ), but that's subverted right away by the F chord, which leads us back into A minor (via Dm and E major). The chorus modulates to the relative major (probably the most common kind of modulation there is ). There's no mystery about the G7: it's the dominant of the approaching C major key, and it's standard to precede a modulation with the V7 of the new key. The only unusual element in this progression is the D major (or D7). The melody doesn't need that chord (Dm7 would fit as well, and be in key), but it does add a nice brightness or freshness at that point in the tune. (As well as teasing about the actual key centre.) He actually uses D major again at the end of the chorus (not Dm) to lead to E and back to Am. Normally, we'd expect D-E to lead us to A major. IOW, D major is like a little secret weapon in this tune - stopping the whole thing being a rather dull meander through an orthodox A minor/C major progression. (You can make an argument for D being fully within A minor if you invoke melodic minor, in which D7 is the IV chord. But I don't think it quite works like that here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members possopo Posted April 3, 2012 Author Members Share Posted April 3, 2012 The only unusual element in this progression is the D major (or D7). The melody doesn't need that chord (Dm7 would fit as well, and be in key) so instead ofAm / D / G / Cmaj7 / : A Dorian (and/or C Mixolydian)F / Dm / E / / / : A Harmonic Minorwould it be more respectful to Cat Stevens' intentions to play the A natural minor scale throughout the verse but play arpeggios on D and E ?this way, D would be highlighted when in the first option, it is lost in the middle of the A Dorian scale part. I think that's why I didn't know what this G7 was. as far as scales, I was thinking the tune was going like this :A dorian-->A Harmonic Minor-->G7 (didn't fit A Dorian nor A Harmonic Minor)---> C Major. when according to you, it is :A natural minor---> C majorwith D spicing up the verse (borrowed chord from C major ?) and E (and its major 3rd) here to enhance the resolution on Am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JonR Posted April 3, 2012 Members Share Posted April 3, 2012 as far as scales, I was thinking the tune was going like this :A dorian-->A Harmonic Minor-->G7 (didn't fit A Dorian nor A Harmonic Minor)---> C Major.when according to you, it is :A natural minor---> C majorwith D spicing up the verse (borrowed chord from C major ?) and E (and its major 3rd) here to enhance the resolution on Am.Sorry I wasn't clear enough on scales in my first post. Although the verse is A minor in the end, overall, it begins as if in G major, and the G major scale works best on at least the first 2 chords (it helps the D7 sit better), and maybe the first 4. If in doubt about the F/F# choice on the G-C chords, just avoid both notes! (You never need a full scale.)On the original, Cat Stevens (or rather the piano) doesn't come down clearly on either side. To my ears there's a slight hint of F# in the mix first time over G-C, and F second time; but really they avoid the issue. (Like they couldn't make up their minds!)Likewise, no clues about harmonic or melodic minor on the E chord (the same lack of clarity over F or F# as passing notes). So it's your choice. Just to summarize: Am-D7 = G major scaleG-C = G major or C major scaleF-Dm = C major scaleE = A harmonic minor or (going to back to Am) melodic minor Chorus (beginning with G7) = all C major except:E = A harmonic minorOr: A harmonic minor on both the Dm and E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members possopo Posted April 3, 2012 Author Members Share Posted April 3, 2012 wow, more complicated than I what I thought.thanks a lot !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Earl E. Daze Posted December 15, 2019 Members Share Posted December 15, 2019 Simpler answer. A Melodic Minor (different 6th and 7th when the melody is ascending compared to descending - with harmonic choices made when melody is neutral) in the versus, C major in the chorus. Cat uses Melodic rather than Natural or Harmonic a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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