Members EndemicTruth Posted June 27, 2012 Members Posted June 27, 2012 Trying to get this song down, having trouble nailing what key/scale the chorus and verse are in. Thanks! [video=youtube;j2GAW87Jmw0]
Members JonR Posted June 27, 2012 Members Posted June 27, 2012 0:06 - Cm - 8 bars0:18 - F - 4 bars0:24 - Cm - 4 bars0:30 - Eb6 (Cm7/Eb) 2 bars0:33 - G5 2 bars0:36 - F 4 bars 0:42 - (1st time ending) Cm7 4 bars interlude) whole thing repeats, till 1:25, 2nd time ending: goes back to the Eb6 and G5, 2 bars each, then back to the Cm for a few bars before the break. The break is Cm(add4): C, F and Eb notes in the lead guitar. If you want to label the key, it's kind of C minor, but the F chord is major, so it's really C dorian mode.
Members EndemicTruth Posted June 28, 2012 Author Members Posted June 28, 2012 0:06 - Cm - 8 bars0:18 - F - 4 bars0:24 - Cm - 4 bars0:30 - Eb6 (Cm7/Eb) 2 bars0:33 - G5 2 bars0:36 - F 4 bars0:42 - (1st time ending) Cm7 4 bars interlude)whole thing repeats, till 1:25, 2nd time ending: goes back to the Eb6 and G5, 2 bars each, then back to the Cm for a few bars before the break.The break is Cm(add4): C, F and Eb notes in the lead guitar.If you want to label the key, it's kind of C minor, but the F chord is major, so it's really C dorian mode. Great reply... I knew it wasn't a normal key. Thanks!
Members mcmurray Posted June 28, 2012 Members Posted June 28, 2012 0:06 - Cm - 8 bars0:18 - F - 4 bars0:24 - Cm - 4 bars0:30 - Eb6 (Cm7/Eb) 2 bars0:33 - G5 2 bars0:36 - F 4 bars0:42 - (1st time ending) Cm7 4 bars interlude)whole thing repeats, till 1:25, 2nd time ending: goes back to the Eb6 and G5, 2 bars each, then back to the Cm for a few bars before the break.The break is Cm(add4): C, F and Eb notes in the lead guitar.If you want to label the key, it's kind of C minor, but the F chord is major, so it's really C dorian mode. Eb6 and G5 are keys? edit: nevermind, they're chords Song is in C dorian (C minor with a raised 6th degree).
Members 1001gear Posted June 28, 2012 Members Posted June 28, 2012 I'd call this Cmi and leave it at that. The major IV would be a sub. The V chord I'd call an incomplete Gmi. I like the G, F retrograde and am wondering if this is endemic to the grayness of dorian. (?) It's very catchy as recorded so I suppose JR s detail is warranted as is the C dorian characterization. Playing wise however I find myself adding seconds, fourths, sevenths, any cool sounding chordal or non harmonic ext, even the thirds if placed right - thinking basically three flats (accidentals welcome) and C tonic/pedal and little else in that regard. Works for me. Is this valid or just lazy?
Members JonR Posted June 28, 2012 Members Posted June 28, 2012 I'd call this Cmi and leave it at that. The major IV would be a sub. The V chord I'd call an incomplete Gmi. I like the G, F retrograde and am wondering if this is endemic to the grayness of dorian. (?) It's very catchy as recorded so I suppose JR s detail is warranted as is the C dorian characterization. Playing wise however I find myself adding seconds, fourths, sevenths, any cool sounding chordal or non harmonic ext, even the thirds if placed right - thinking basically three flats (accidentals welcome) and C tonic/pedal and little else in that regard. Works for me. Is this valid or just lazy? I'd say 2 flats. Unless that makes anyone reading it think it's in Bb or G minor... I agree the implication of the G is minor, but I can't detect a Bb in it anywhere. Mind you, the Eb isn't very clear in the Cm chord, only in the vocal (and the lead guitar in the break). (MyTranscribe software shows an E natural in the spectrum sometimes on the C chord, but it's a overtone of the bass.) The F, OTOH, clearly sounds major - not just an F power chord which could stand for minor (and make the key C minor/aeolian) I also agree about those added notes. The lead guitar itself puts an F on the Cm chord in the break, and also in the 4-bar interlude before the 2nd verse (a nice little line of added notes in that bit). I think when you have a simple chord in a groove this long, it's hard to resist adding 2nds, 4ths, 7ths....
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