Members DCM Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Hi, I have attached a powerpoint file to this post. It is a simple chart I have created to help me learn the Minor Pentatonic Scale in all Five positions and also to learn it horizontialy down the guitar neck. Please feel free to use it if anyone thinks it may be of use. I have also attached a file I created showing the layout of all the minor pentatonic scales for each key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Road.Kill Posted May 22, 2008 Members Share Posted May 22, 2008 I was looking for something just like this last night! Thank you so much, it's just what I need: a newbs simple, quick reference!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mhoward Posted May 22, 2008 Members Share Posted May 22, 2008 I have also attached a file I created showing the layout of all the minor pentatonic scales for each key. Hi DCM. Very nice of you to share info like this, and your 5 positions chart is great. I wonder though about the value of the other chart showing the minor pent in each of the 12 keys. Maybe this is just a personal nit, but I think it's better to concentrate on internalizing the 5 positions, and getting used to finding them relative to the root octaves. You're not in a whole new world when you go to a different key... you shouldn't have to look up a different chart. I'm curious how you use the "5 positions shown horizontally down the fret board in pairs of strings" chart. Why did you choose those pairs of strings in particular? Usually when I practice running scales on pairs of strings I'll run the scale across the pair of strings in one position and then move down to the next position. Alternatively, people recommend working a scale down one string at a time. What's your approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DCM Posted May 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hi DCM. Very nice of you to share info like this, and your 5 positions chart is great. I wonder though about the value of the other chart showing the minor pent in each of the 12 keys. Maybe this is just a personal nit, but I think it's better to concentrate on internalizing the 5 positions, and getting used to finding them relative to the root octaves. You're not in a whole new world when you go to a different key... you shouldn't have to look up a different chart. I'm curious how you use the "5 positions shown horizontally down the fret board in pairs of strings" chart. Why did you choose those pairs of strings in particular? Usually when I practice running scales on pairs of strings I'll run the scale across the pair of strings in one position and then move down to the next position. Alternatively, people recommend working a scale down one string at a time. What's your approach? Yeah I agree thinking about it I probably won't get much use out of the chart showing the scales in each key and tend to use the five position chart. The reason i charted out the scale horizontially across each of the string pairs is ive seen this method refered to on the web as a means of learning the pentatonics horizontally down the fretboard (some people refer to this as the hopskotch method I think). I dont really have a set approach in regard to this yet as i'm still experimenting with it but you suggestions above also sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DCM Posted May 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2008 I was looking for something just like this last night! Thank you so much, it's just what I need: a newbs simple, quick reference!! Not a problem, glad its of some use to others who are in the same boat as me trying to get these scales down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveWoodward Posted May 23, 2008 Members Share Posted May 23, 2008 May thanks for the chart, just printed it out! I'm just delving into learning scales and theory, up to now I've just been playing songs off tab but want to do better than that. What I don't quite get yet is the purpose of the 5 positions (and for now I'm limiting myself to the Minor Pentatonic scale). The first position can be played at different points on the neck...for example, if I wanted to play a minor pentatonic solo in G I'd play something based on the 1st position at the 3rd fret. A at the 5th fret, etc. So the 5 positions confuse me, admittedly because I've only just started studying theory. I guess if you were to play a minor pentatonic scale based solo across the neck, say for example starting at the 3rd fret and ending at the 12th, you would be applying these different positions? Please forgive my ignorance, I know I've got a lot of studying to do. Many thanks for the scale chart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DCM Posted May 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2008 May thanks for the chart, just printed it out!I'm just delving into learning scales and theory, up to now I've just been playing songs off tab but want to do better than that. What I don't quite get yet is the purpose of the 5 positions (and for now I'm limiting myself to the Minor Pentatonic scale). The first position can be played at different points on the neck...for example, if I wanted to play a minor pentatonic solo in G I'd play something based on the 1st position at the 3rd fret. A at the 5th fret, etc. So the 5 positions confuse me, admittedly because I've only just started studying theory. I guess if you were to play a minor pentatonic scale based solo across the neck, say for example starting at the 3rd fret and ending at the 12th, you would be applying these different positions?Please forgive my ignorance, I know I've got a lot of studying to do. Many thanks for the scale chart! The idea of the five positions as i understand it is that they are just the same notes but played at different locations on the fretboard. There are many well know licks associated with each of the positions as well. The good news when it comes to the minor and major pentatonic scales is that the shapes are exactly the same its just that you start the scale from a different root note, for example: The F# Minor Pentatonic scale played in the 1st position starts at fret 2 (note F#) on the low E string. The A Major pentatonic played in the same 1st position starts at the fifth fret (note A) on the low E string. Exactly the same shape played for both scales at the same fret locations but just starting with different root notes. This is why the F# Minor pentatonic is often refered to as the relative minor pentatonic for the key of A. This also applies to all the other keys. Hope this helps a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveWoodward Posted May 23, 2008 Members Share Posted May 23, 2008 That is helpful, thanks! This scales thing is going to be a long road, but should be worth it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Road.Kill Posted May 24, 2008 Members Share Posted May 24, 2008 Now that we're talking a bit about the scales themselves, I do have a question or two. These charts are a great illustration of the positions for that particular scale, it's exactly what I needed and I'll be working on learning the 4 I don't know for the next few weeks, but what about the other scales? Are there positions to learn in the Dorian, Ionian, etc scales, too? I knew enough to search for a chart for the positions of the pentatonic scale, but I can't recall ever really coming across a reference to other positions for all the scales. As to how to use all this after you learn the scales, can someone explain in really newbie terms, the general idea about using scales in certain keys to create a solo or riff that blends well with the rest of a song? Thanks! To the OP, if you have more of these chart ideas, keep 'em coming! p.s. You guys mentioned moving across the fretboard and "hopscotching." When I was looking for info on this stuff I found a great YouTube video that discusses exactly this, maybe referenced from a thread on this site, I forget I've plowed through so much info in the last 3 days. It comes up as the most viewed video when you look up pentatonic scales on YouTube: It really opened up my view of what I was supposed to be doing with scales, as I thought you had to learn one scale type then move on to the next type, and so on. I can already play the pentatonic first position pretty fast and clean, but I didn't realize that I was only 1/5 of the way along! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DCM Posted May 24, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 24, 2008 Now that we're talking a bit about the scales themselves, I do have a question or two. These charts are a great illustration of the positions for that particular scale, it's exactly what I needed and I'll be working on learning the 4 I don't know for the next few weeks, but what about the other scales? Are there positions to learn in the Dorian, Ionian, etc scales, too? I knew enough to search for a chart for the positions of the pentatonic scale, but I can't recall ever really coming across a reference to other positions for all the scales. As to how to use all this after you learn the scales, can someone explain in really newbie terms, the general idea about using scales in certain keys to create a solo or riff that blends well with the rest of a song? Thanks! To the OP, if you have more of these chart ideas, keep 'em coming! p.s. You guys mentioned moving across the fretboard and "hopscotching." When I was looking for info on this stuff I found a great YouTube video that discusses exactly this, maybe referenced from a thread on this site, I forget I've plowed through so much info in the last 3 days. It comes up as the most viewed video when you look up pentatonic scales on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qw03-3gFg It really opened up my view of what I was supposed to be doing with scales, as I thought you had to learn one scale type then move on to the next type, and so on. I can already play the pentatonic first position pretty fast and clean, but I didn't realize that I was only 1/5 of the way along! Check out this link, it is a scale generator and you should be able to work out the various positions from the root notes that are highlighted in each scale. http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Road.Kill Posted May 25, 2008 Members Share Posted May 25, 2008 OooooOOOOoooo, very nice, thank you. I love that it also generates a scale in tab on the same page, I'm trying to get tabs and charts correlated in my mind faster. I picked up a scale book in Sam Ash today. It's just a slim booklet, really, perfect to keep in a gigbag pocket. It has all the scales and positions listed according to their key--very logical and neat. It's not a slick or sexy thing at all, no pictures or colors, but the most handy and functional book on this topic in the whole store. I think it may be a Hal Leonard book, but it also said Sam Ash on the cover. Seriously well-worth the $4.95 cover price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumhucker Posted May 25, 2008 Members Share Posted May 25, 2008 Watch Zakk Wyldes "Pentatonic Hardcore" Video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JWS Posted May 26, 2008 Members Share Posted May 26, 2008 You guys mentioned moving across the fretboard and "hopscotching." When I was looking for info on this stuff I found a great YouTube video that discusses exactly this, maybe referenced from a thread on this site, I forget I've plowed through so much info in the last 3 days. It comes up as the most viewed video when you look up pentatonic scales on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qw03-3gFgIt really opened up my view of what I was supposed to be doing with scales, as I thought you had to learn one scale type then move on to the next type, and so on. I can already play the pentatonic first position pretty fast and clean, but I didn't realize that I was only 1/5 of the way along! This is a great video. It sound like a way to break down the "scale boxes", and I will try this "hopscotching" approach to practice. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heem6 Posted May 29, 2008 Members Share Posted May 29, 2008 Viewing the scale in the "pairs of strings" approach is very interesting. Looking at it one way, each pair of strings has the exact same pattern. It's just a matter of which position the pattern "begins" on. In other words, the middle pair of string positions is the same as the top pair of string positions, just moved forward by one position. The bottom string positions are the same as the middle, but moved forward by one position. The other way I'm seeing it is that since each pair of string positions is pretty much spaced the same: 4-2-2-4-2, the only exception and the only thing you really have to memorize where the "offset" note is - on the low E, D and B strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bikki_grg Posted June 6, 2013 Members Share Posted June 6, 2013 am sorry... i could not find the link for the download (ur attachment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bikki_grg Posted June 6, 2013 Members Share Posted June 6, 2013 where's the powerpoint file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted June 6, 2013 Members Share Posted June 6, 2013 Try this: 05-21-2008 09:59 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmarsh Posted June 6, 2013 Members Share Posted June 6, 2013 Hmmm... I don't see the attachments, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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