Members enuenu Posted September 13, 2009 Members Posted September 13, 2009 I am a newb investigating the whole guitar reamping deal. I have a Mesa Dual Recto and was thinking of getting a Little Labs Redeye passive DI. I am using the Reaper DAW app to record. The way I understand it, using the Redeye I can play my guitar through the amp with a high gain sound while siultaneosuly recording the dry signal. That way my playing is physically interacting with the amp in real time, palm muting, allowing for sustain etc, and these playing nuances are captured in the dry signal. Once Reaper has recoreded the dry signal, I believe I can then do one of two things; 1) Play this recorded dry signal from Reaper back to the instrument input in the amp via the reamp facility of the Redeye. Then I can twiddle the EQ on the amp in real time, listening as though a guitarist was playing while I twiddle, until the sound is just right. Then I can rig up a mic, play the dry signal through the amp and simultaneously record what the mic is hearing (which will be similar to what I heard from the amp the first time I played the tune with my guitar). 2) Use the dry signal in conjunction with a virtual amp (plugin) to create what I aimed for in 1) above without using the amp and mic. It would all be done within Reaper. I could do multiple combinations of 1) & 2) on multiple tracks to build up a deep layered guitar sound. I guess a lot of comes down to whether the signal coming out of Reaper when playing the dry signal back via the Redeye is precisely what my guitar would produce. Is this how it is done?
Members MIDIme Posted September 13, 2009 Members Posted September 13, 2009 I don't reamp, but I know Radial makes two very good units. Their web site has real good info on the subject. I almost purchased their big unit and still may...
Members bengerm77 Posted September 13, 2009 Members Posted September 13, 2009 I've heard about this reamping concept before, but I'm not entirely sure what it is? Could somebody step in and clarify? It seems pretty interesting.
Members DVaz Posted September 13, 2009 Members Posted September 13, 2009 Its one of these things thats extremely simple to do that leads to a whole world of awesome You record a DI from the guitar to the interface/desk/souncard/whatever youre using. Dont colour it in the least. You focus on getting the performance you want. Analysing a totally dry track is merciless for this, so you can get utterly nailed takes too. You line it out into whatever you want, and record from that. Its as though you played into that thing and recorded from it. This lets you play with mic location, amp settings, layering from different amps/whatever all day long without having to get a nailed performance every time. Caveat - how you play can vary depending what you play through. How you play is a big part of making any given amp sound its best, so the best way to do it, IMO, is record the DI and a tollerable sounding track from the amp/modeller/sim/whatever you intend to use for the final sound (or as the lions share of the final sound) and try not to reamp through a new device. Though you can and theres nothing to stop you it may not be as good as if you actually played through that amp (or whatever). Superb tool, IMO, I wont record anything without recording a dry track so I can reamp later.
Members enuenu Posted September 14, 2009 Author Members Posted September 14, 2009 Thanks. Can you listen to the amp while simultaneously recording the dry signal? I ask this as the way you play, particularly when in a high gain context, is affected by what the amp is doing to the guitar's output. For example, while I am recording the dry signal of a riff, I want hear my Recto on brain melt while I play it so I know I am playing it in a way that fits with a high gain setting. That way I will capture a dry signal that contains all the "chug-chug" and high sustain inspired playing nuances that my playing might not put into the dry signal if I could only hear a clean sound while I played it.
Members English Bob Posted September 17, 2009 Members Posted September 17, 2009 Can you listen to the amp while simultaneously recording the dry signal? Your DI method needs to be as transparent as you can make it, but with that in mind, yes.
Members DVaz Posted September 20, 2009 Members Posted September 20, 2009 Thanks. Can you listen to the amp while simultaneously recording the dry signal? I ask this as the way you play, particularly when in a high gain context, is affected by what the amp is doing to the guitar's output. For example, while I am recording the dry signal of a riff, I want hear my Recto on brain melt while I play it so I know I am playing it in a way that fits with a high gain setting. That way I will capture a dry signal that contains all the "chug-chug" and high sustain inspired playing nuances that my playing might not put into the dry signal if I could only hear a clean sound while I played it. Yes, you can. I know exactly what you mean, thats what I was talking about in the last part - playing and reamping through what you intend the final sound to be from. I split the signal from the guitar into the instrument input of my fireface and into my powerball and record both so I can hear the dry sound for merciless inspection and reamping purposes and can hear how the amp responded to it in general as well, then reamp the dry into the amp again, screwing with mics and EQ and whatever. I have reamped through a different amp (and modellers and preamps) but its not the same as if I played it through them.
Members Electrikon Posted September 20, 2009 Members Posted September 20, 2009 Seems like a pretty cool concept.
Members bengerm77 Posted September 23, 2009 Members Posted September 23, 2009 just got done with a recording sesh. Everything was reamped. It was pretty cool. We tracked the scratch tracks with a little bit of amplitube, and then we had the dry signals fed back through the amps - after some cleaning up of course. Very cool. It is a bit scary though to hear your amp playing your music by itself.
Members enuenu Posted November 6, 2010 Author Members Posted November 6, 2010 Wondering if a passive or active DI box is the go. The LL Red Eye passive DI seems popular. What does an active box do that a passive box can't (and visa versa)?
Moderators AMZ-FX Posted November 10, 2010 Moderators Posted November 10, 2010 Wondering if a passive or active DI box is the go. The LL Red Eye passive DI seems popular. What does an active box do that a passive box can't (and visa versa)? Active boxes can adjust gain of the signal being post-processed, whereas a passive DI is fixed. Not a big deal most of the time but it can come in handy. regards, Jack
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