Members aliensporebomb Posted April 7, 2010 Members Posted April 7, 2010 I recently have made a bit of a programming breakthru with the VG-99 getting string and pad sounds much like what Bill Ruppert has produced in his amazing VG-99 demos. Check it out! http://pod.ath.cx/vg99/tunes/asb-eastersunday.mp3 There's about five custom sounds in this particular track that I've put thru a looper and into the computer. Somehow I don't think the AxeFX can do this. Realize these are all processed guitar sounds, there are no actual synthesizers being triggered here.
Members Umbra Posted April 7, 2010 Members Posted April 7, 2010 Very cool. I would never guess it wasn't synths and was only guitar. Sounds a bit muddy though.
Members aliensporebomb Posted April 7, 2010 Author Members Posted April 7, 2010 I just realized: every note of that stuff was volume swelled so there's not a single sharp attack anywhere hence potential mud. Oops.
Members Karma1 Posted April 7, 2010 Members Posted April 7, 2010 Very nice - those are some of the kind of sounds I go for in my ambient music. Overall I've been a bit disappointed with the synth sounds in my VG-99 which tend towards the more retro sounds, although not surprising since they are based on an early Roland guitar synth. I haven't spent as much time tweaking the VG sounds as I have with my GR33, but it's good to hear what you have done to get an idea of what is possible. Thanks for posting. Also wondering if there is anything you can share about your programming breakthrough?
Members girevik Posted April 7, 2010 Members Posted April 7, 2010 Also wondering if there is anything you can share about your programming breakthrough?I'd like to know too! One thing I noticed by the Master, Bill Ruppert, was that he used the Brass model a lot. He did not use the GR-300 model (the "retro" synth model you're thinking of) as much, other than the Kraftwerk Autobahn demo and maybe a Polymoog demo.
Members aliensporebomb Posted April 7, 2010 Author Members Posted April 7, 2010 Here's the fun part: they're NOT synth sounds at all. Not one of those sounds is a synth wave except the low E undercurrent at spots which is a tiny bit of GR300 from the VG. That's that little foreboding bit. It's a really long track, like 26 minutes so this is just a bit of it. I know Bill's programming experiments and his strings and pads are the best I've ever heard - some of them I listen to and I get the ideahe's layering an organish type sound with a thinner sound on top and composited it comes out as strings. The trick is: you know on the VG you've got A and B. For example, make the B section whatever you want but take the A:clean guitar, strat, les paul, es335, tele - whatever you want. On the pitch transposition take the guitar A and pitch it just above orjust below the guitars range. Then compress it, pitch transpose it,then use modulation, delay, chorus, reverb (plate worked here) andthere you go. It doesn't have an 80s synth sound since it's just a guitar heavily processed. It's almost like, B is the regular guitar and then I'll sometimes use thepoly slow gear to delay the A part. So I play a chord and you hear theB immediately and shortly after A sounds. I get the idea I could get the synth waves in the thing to sound goodif I process them right.
Members aliensporebomb Posted April 8, 2010 Author Members Posted April 8, 2010 Update: I realize I hadn't mastered or normalized this at all - here's a mastered version with considerably more volume level. I guess I thought it might have more credibility as coming from the VG if it was from the VG as is. Here's the compressed (louder) versions: http://pod.ath.cx/vg99/tunes/223-Short-Ex.mp3Short example - about 30 seconds. http://pod.ath.cx/vg99/tunes/223-Long-Ex.mp3Long example - about 8 minutes. Enjoy.
Members Karma1 Posted April 8, 2010 Members Posted April 8, 2010 Cool - thanks for the explanations. That was a surprise that there were no synth waves used, just tweaked guitar sounds. Nice work. I'll have to spend some time trying those things out.
Members Umbra Posted April 8, 2010 Members Posted April 8, 2010 I just realized: every note of that stuff was volume swelled so there's not a single sharp attack anywhere hence potential mud. Oops.It's not the attacks it's too much in the freq range around 250hz ish especially around 3:30+ in the track. Some pops in there too like at 5:32 that don't sound right. Still very cool, wish I had a VG.
Members aliensporebomb Posted April 8, 2010 Author Members Posted April 8, 2010 Here's one I came up with this afternoon:http://pod.ath.cx/vg99/sounds/Luxe.Orch.mp3 Changing both A and B to 12-string models made it twice as lush..... I haven't messed with synth waves yet. Soon though.
Members aliensporebomb Posted April 9, 2010 Author Members Posted April 9, 2010 It's not the attacks it's too much in the freq range around 250hz ish especially around 3:30+ in the track. Some pops in there too like at 5:32 that don't sound right.Still very cool, wish I had a VG. The pops are a side effect of: if you create a static electical pop (studio is carpeted, walking around with the guitar in socks, bad idea) it goes right into the looper and is heard again and again and again. Around 3:30 you can also hear my stupid cell phone buzzing away (sitting on the desk next to the vg99) and that got into the looper again and again too. I tried to go into Izotope RX and remove all the noises all but this is just a demo. Yeah, I know the 250 hz was a bit much. We'll see about rev2. I guess I was trying to build the tension up a little too much.
Members aliensporebomb Posted April 9, 2010 Author Members Posted April 9, 2010 One more try. http://pod.ath.cx/vg99/sounds/Luxe.Demo.2.mp3 I put the actual patch up at vguitarforums - have at it.
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