Guitar Rig 4 through my Transtube Amp concerns

[amoretam]

I don't know how come I haven't been able to find anything related on this forum.

My issues are these:

 

Recently, I was force to return my Boss gt10 wich I used together with a Peavey transtube Bandit 112 with pretty good results.

I connected the gt10 to the "Power Amp In" or the "FX return" on my Peavey disabling the speakers simulators on the gt10.

 

Now that I have no MultiFX Unit, I really want to experiment with Guitar Rig 4 to play on big live concerts.

I have read that Gtr Amps Returns are not very much suitable for this because they are not flat response or full range as Keyboards Amps or Full Range Cabinets or Speakers.

I know of the option to go straight to the PA but this has never been convincing for me as it always sounded to "tiny", or "direct sounding" with no ass character or depth.

 

The thing is that I just have what I have and I want to be able to gig with my hard and soft rock bands and be able to sound as good as posible.

 

What I have is Acer Aspite ZG5 netbook, Gtr Rig 4, an Axiom controller which I'm going to use to change presets (and more), my Peavey, an M-audio Fast Track Pro, Avid 003 rack and Pro-tools LE and Mpowered 8 as my hosts.

 

All I need to know is, (since Gtr Amps are not suitable for Gtr Simulators VI's) how could I use Gtr Rig as an FX unit and/or pedal FX's so I can use my Peavey's preamp (clean and overdrive).?

I know this can be done through the sends and returns of my amp:

Amp Send to Interface Line In

Interface Line Out to Amp Return.

Guitar plugged to Peavey's gtr In and I am done.

 

I haven't tried it yet but I really need you experienced people to illuminate me with your sharp tips and advices to make this work.

And if using amps simulation on Guitar Rig could work, then the better. That way I could have lots more possibilities since I would like to have available several distortions and cleans, etc..

 

Thanks A lot, I hope I published this in the right location.

Bye

[amoretam]

so, can anyone in here spare some useful thoughts???

[Anderton]

Guitar Rig is all about effects and amp/cab simulation. You don't have to use both, you can use just the effects if you want to use a different amp/cab, or just the amp/cab if you want to use different effects.

 

You can most certainly use a standard guitar cabinet. I recently had to translate some patches I'd done for PA systems to run through guitar amps, and was surprised how little tweaking I needed to do. In a few cases I needed to boost the highs to compensate for lack of same at the amp, but even that wasn't too drastic.

 

What I suggest is load Guitar Rig in your laptop, and just forget about the amp/'cab simulation - your Peavey will provide that. As to GR's effects, they model the original pedals - so going through an amp, they'll sound like they're, well, going through an amp.

 

The one thing you will likely need to do is pad down the output of your laptop so you don't overload the Peavey. Or maybe the overload will sound cool...

 

Check out Rig Kontrol for Guitar Rig, it gives you a lot of pedal and preset select options.

 

Does this help?

[amoretam]

yeah! it really helps!!

 

...And I'm gonna take this oportunity to try to clarify with your knowledge some enigmas that I have.

and goes like this:

 

When you suggested going through my Peavey Amp, you meant connecting Guitar Rig output (Fast Track Pro left line out) to the front end input of the connecting it to the Return or Power Amp In of my Peavey??

 

If the answer is connecting it to the front end input, isn;t there any loss or overload because of the fact that the Fast Track Pro line outputs are fixed at +4dbu??

 

Isn't there any type of tone degradation or colouring by using two preamps one after another? (Guitar Rig amp simulators and then my Peavey;s preamp)

 

If the answer is connecting it to the Return or Power Amp in, can I use a TRS cable as recommended by the Fast Track Pro manual? And could I use a TRS cable to connect to the Peavey's front end input??

 

How could I accomplish using my Amp's clan and distorted channels (with my peavey's foot switch) and using Guitar Rig's cleans and distortions as well?

 

Would be possible for me to use my Peavey's preamp channels and use the FX loops for the time-based effects with guitar rig?

 

Can I hook up a Guitar Rig compressor to the FX loop in order to place it between the Peavey's preamp and Power Amp so I can compress the distorted signal from the preamp??

 

Can I connect a overdrive or distortion to the Peavey's FX loop in order to distort the signal coming from the Peavey's preamp, not the signal going to the preamp as in conventional use.

 

Would it be possible to use Guitar Rig as a stomp box snakeconnecting the gain-based effects to the front-end of the Peavey and another Guitar Rig to connect the time-based effects to Peavey's FX loop?

 

What would be the difference between connecting a stompbox chain to the Peavey's front-end input and connecting it to the Return or Power amp In??

 

I'm sorry, I'm asking these questions cause I want to know I am experimenting under the optimal circumstances and also to be able to identify what the cause of some horrible sounds that I get while tweaking.

 

thanks a lot, I hope you could give detailed answers to a brain that is always searching for the root of things, if you know what I mean...

 

Tchau, take care

[amoretam]

nobody?? please, just with a little patience.. I know these questions are kind of stupid, but I really need some type of techy answers here!

thanks a lot

[elantric]

They design Guitar Rig to feed a Full Range - flat response - 20hz -20kHz Audio reproduction system.

 

Ideal amplification system candidates would include club PA's, Near Field Reference Studio monitors, Keyboard Amps, Self Powered Main PA cabs.

 

 

By contrast, on a Guitar Amp with typical speakers designed for an electric Guitar - the frequency response is typically limited to 70hz-6khZ .

 

And majority of the popular Tube Guitar amps are "never "Flat response" as this defines and adds a substantial amount to their tone and character.

 

Frequency response plots of popular guitar amps can be seen here:

 

http://www.vettaville.com/vetta_frequency_plots.htm

 

 

In a nut shell - if you feed Guitar Rig into a Guitar Amp - you are "polishing the polish" and end up with less than ideal results.

 

 

But if you must feed your transtube amp - then do as Craig Anderton suggests - simply omit using the Guitar Rig Amp Sims AND Speaker Sims.

 

more here:

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91840-