Tuba porn.

[hookstrapped]

It really does look underground.

[AcousticControl]

mrs. delorean played the French Horn as a lass.

[riffdaddy]

Originally posted by ginnboonmiller Wow... Those early Miraphones are really nice little tubas. And I've heard nothing but praise to the high heavens about Demondrae -- didn't he just land a sweet orchestra gig?

 

 

I forgot about the Miraphones. The same friend who has the 6/4 Rudy also has an Eb Miraphone. Hmmm...on second thought, it may have been an F. Can't remember.

[quesoreuso]

Facinating thread.

While not a brass, I kick myself for selling my sax.

[ginnboonmiller]

Originally posted by riffdaddy I forgot about the Miraphones. The same friend who has the 6/4 Rudy also has an Eb Miraphone. Hmmm...on second thought, it may have been an F. Can't remember.

 

 

Well, since the 1970s, Miraphones have been as common as pimples on a bus driver's ass. I never really liked them, except for a couple I've played from way, WAY back.

[papa taco]

Originally posted by delorean mrs. delorean played the French Horn as a lass.

Mmm...mmm. OK, now that I've got a good picture of that in my head, I'm going to go to the washroom for a little bit.

[IndofunkCity]

Originally posted by riffdaddy The tubas in your high school were almost definitely Bb, but there is a distinction, because a Bb tuba still reads and plays in concert key, unlike a Bb trumpet, which is a transposed instrument. Low brass instruments are pitched by the note they're centered around. In other words, a Bb tuba will play the note Bb with no valves depressed. Likewise, a C tuba will play the note C with no valves depressed. For a trumpet, however, a C is always played with no valves depressed, regardless of how the instrument is pitched. Thus, we think in transpositions. Tubaists think in fingerings.

I read this last night when I was drunk & stoned, and it confused me. Now I'm reading it stone sober and it's still making my head spin.

I know how it works with trumpets. I play one I got a Bb trumpet, so when I play the lowest fundamental, it's a Bb concert. I'd call it a C, but nobody except me cares. To the rest of the world it's a Bb.

Now let's say I got a D trumpet. I play the lowest fundamental, it's a D. Again, I'd call it a C cause it's the lowest open note, but the note is a D concert.

Ok. Now on to tubas. I got a Bb tuba. I blow the lowest open note and it's a .... Bb, right? That's the same as trumpet! Why are you confusing me??

Or am I so confused that I'm confused about being confused?

[papa taco]

HC needs a Tuba Forum.

[IndofunkCity]

Oh! or are you talking about written music? G on a Bb trumpet is written as an A, and I play it 1&2. G on a D trumpet is written F, and I play it first valve.

But G on a Bb tuba is written G, you just gotta know to play it 1&2? And G on a C tuba is also written G, but you play it open?

Goddamit I'm

[ginnboonmiller]

Originally posted by IndofunkCity I read this last night when I was drunk & stoned, and it confused me. Now I'm reading it stone sober and it's still making my head spin. I know how it works with trumpets. I play one I got a Bb trumpet, so when I play the lowest fundamental, it's a Bb concert. I'd call it a C, but nobody except me cares. To the rest of the world it's a Bb. Now let's say I got a D trumpet. I play the lowest fundamental, it's a D. Again, I'd call it a C cause it's the lowest open note, but the note is a D concert. Ok. Now on to tubas. I got a Bb tuba. I blow the lowest open note and it's a .... Bb, right? That's the same as trumpet! Why are you confusing me?? Or am I so confused that I'm confused about being confused?

Okay, once more. Nice and slow, for the trumpet players...

Tuba players don't transpose. Ever. You give us a B-flat to play and we're just gonna up and play it and screw you if you though the tuba we were using had anything to do with it.

If I had a B-flat tuba on me, I wouldn't even have to touch the valves. If I had a C tuba, I'd have the first valve depressed, since I play C open on a C tuba. With an F, I'd need the fourth and fifth valve if it were the B-flat below the staff. Regardless, I read my parts at concert pitch.

You trumpet players, with your weak minds, need composers to do that work for you. You just know to play a C open as long as you have the right key trumpet and you read the music all transposed and whatnot. So you play a C open on an E-flat horn, but an E-flat comes out. Silly wabbit.

[ginnboonmiller]

Originally posted by papa taco HC needs a Tuba Forum.

We've got one. But damned if I'm letting you trolls know what the URL is.

Besides, I never ever ever hang out there.

[IndofunkCity]

Originally posted by ginnboonmiller Okay, once more. Nice and slow, for the trumpet players... Tuba players don't transpose. Ever. You give us a B-flat to play and we're just gonna up and play it and screw you if you though the tuba we were using had anything to do with it. If I had a B-flat tuba on me, I wouldn't even have to touch the valves. If I had a C tuba, I'd have the first valve depressed, since I play C open on a C tuba. With an F, I'd need the fourth and fifth valve if it were the B-flat below the staff. Regardless, I read my parts at concert pitch. You trumpet players, with your weak minds, need composers to do that work for you. You just know to play a C open as long as you have the right key trumpet and you read the music all transposed and whatnot. So you play a C open on an E-flat horn, but an E-flat comes out. Silly wabbit.

Wow. just. wow.

[hookstrapped]

Originally posted by IndofunkCity Wow. just. wow.

 

 

But they only play three different notes a night, so really it's not as impressive as it sounds.

[IndofunkCity]

Originally posted by IndofunkCity Wow. just. wow.

Although I will never debate the fact that trumpet players are, as you so gently put it, weak-minded, please note that there are many sadistic composers who write a bar for Eb trumpet followed by 2 bars for D trumpet and a 1/2 beat rest and then a bar and a half for Bb trumpet followed by one note on C trumpet before switching back to Eb. Now unless you are adept at stopping time between two notes while you reach for a different trumpet (not to mention rich enough to own a stable of 'em), you end up transposing ... not transposing a whole pice for Bb tuba since that's the one you got, but transposing a bar from Eb to Bb then 2 bars from D to Bb, etc etc.

poor weak-minded trumpet players

[ginnboonmiller]

Originally posted by IndofunkCity Wow. just. wow.

(you know I'm just goofing about the trumpet player thing, right? )

It's a lot easier to remember all those fingerings than it seems at first. Fs are so much smaller than Cs that muscle memory is enough to do the trick. And we have the advantage of being able to tell composers, who never understand the different tubas, "just write what you want to hear and we'll use what will work to get you those sounds."

[papa taco]

I smell toast.

[hookstrapped]

Originally posted by IndofunkCity Although I will never debate the fact that trumpet players are, as you so gently put it, weak-minded, please note that there are many sadistic composers who write a bar for Eb trumpet followed by 2 bars for D trumpet and a 1/2 beat rest and then a bar and a half for Bb trumpet followed by one note on C trumpet before switching back to Eb. Now unless you are adept at stopping time between two notes while you reach for a different trumpet (not to mention rich enough to own a stable of 'em), you end up transposing ... not transposing a whole pice for Bb tuba since that's the one you got, but transposing a bar from Eb to Bb then 2 bars from D to Bb, etc etc. poor weak-minded trumpet players

Do the composers really intend them to be played on different keyed trumpets? Are there differences in tonal quality that justify that?

[ginnboonmiller]

Originally posted by IndofunkCity Although I will never debate the fact that trumpet players are, as you so gently put it, weak-minded, please note that there are many sadistic composers who write a bar for Eb trumpet followed by 2 bars for D trumpet and a 1/2 beat rest and then a bar and a half for Bb trumpet followed by one note on C trumpet before switching back to Eb. Now unless you are adept at stopping time between two notes while you reach for a different trumpet (not to mention rich enough to own a stable of 'em), you end up transposing ... not transposing a whole pice for Bb tuba since that's the one you got, but transposing a bar from Eb to Bb then 2 bars from D to Bb, etc etc. poor weak-minded trumpet players

I also note that those same sadistic composers are either long dead or total assholes.

All the cool people these days write all their trumpet parts in C now, right? Or B-flat if they're jazz types. At least that's my impression.

And for the record, I went through a long time during which I either dated or crushed on every female trumpet player I met. I got nothing but love for y'all.

[IndofunkCity]

An orchestra was playing Beethoven's 9th. This orchestra was kind of special, because instead of string basses, they used tubas. (ok, ok, so I'm taking a string bass joke and making it into a tuba joke. Just go with me on this one)

As you may or may not know, the bass part in Beethoven's 9th is really boring ... they don't play at all till the very end. So the tuba section decided to slip out during the piece and grab a couple of beers at the pub across from Symphony Hall. As they were downing their suds, a European noble saw them, recognized them as part of the orchestra, and offered to buy a round. Well, more than a few rounds later, one of the tubists noticed that it was almost time for their final entrance! "Don't worry!" said G. B. Miller, the lead tubist, "I thought this might happen, so I tied down the coductor's music so it'll take him a couple of minutes to turn the final page. Thought it'd buy us a little more time..."

So all the tuba players, and the Count, stumbled over each other to get back to Symphony Hall. When they got there, the conductor was PISSED

Of course he was!

It was the bottom of the ninth.
The score was tied.
The basses were loaded.
And the Count was full!

[ginnboonmiller]

Originally posted by hookstrapped Do the composers really intend them to be played on different keyed trumpets? Are there differences in tonal quality that justify that?

I think most of the time that goes back to before valves were invented and trumpets could only play notes in the harmonic series, so composers expected trumpet players to change trumpets to play notes that weren't available on their other axe.

[IndofunkCity]

Originally posted by ginnboonmiller And for the record, I went through a long time during which I either dated or crushed on every female trumpet player I met. I got nothing but love for y'all.

Not sure if I really want that kinda love from ya ... but ... appreciate the thought

[IndofunkCity]

Originally posted by ginnboonmiller I think most of the time that goes back to before valves were invented and trumpets could only play notes in the harmonic series, so composers expected trumpet players to change trumpets to play notes that weren't available on their other axe.

Actually, my understanding is that composers are lazy mofos and want to keep all the notes they write within the staff. If it goes too far above, they'll just write for Eb trumpet.


But for the record, a piccolo trumpet (Eb or D) DOES sound really different than a lower-pitched horn. Any time you hear screaming high notes in an orchestra, it's usually a picc. I think Masterpice Theater is played on a picc ... ? Don't quote me on that... There's another famous song that's played on picc, but what the hell do I look like? A fookin' CLASSICAL player????

[hookstrapped]

Originally posted by ginnboonmiller I think most of the time that goes back to before valves were invented and trumpets could only play notes in the harmonic series, so composers expected trumpet players to change trumpets to play notes that weren't available on their other axe.

 

 

Ah, of course.

 

Are there such things as valveless tubas?

 

BTW, as a brass player, what do you think of those historically correct orchestras or whatever they're called?

 

I think John Eliot Gardiner's Beethoven symphonies with his Orchestre R

[hookstrapped]

Originally posted by IndofunkCity Actually, my understanding is that composers are lazy mofos and want to keep all the notes they write within the staff. If it goes too far above, they'll just write for Eb trumpet. But for the record, a piccolo trumpet (Eb or D) DOES sound really different than a lower-pitched horn. Any time you hear screaming high notes in an orchestra, it's usually a picc. I think Masterpice Theater is played on a picc ... ? Don't quote me on that... There's another famous song that's played on picc, but what the hell do I look like? A fookin' CLASSICAL player????

That Beatles song...

[ginnboonmiller]

Originally posted by hookstrapped Ah, of course. Are there such things as valveless tubas? BTW, as a brass player, what do you think of those historically correct orchestras or whatever they're called? I think John Eliot Gardiner's Beethoven symphonies with his Orchestre R