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OT: Kansas feels the first sting from devaluing science standards


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want to teach creationism? go find copyrighted works that teach it, but you can't use ours.

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Two leading science organizations have denied the Kansas board of education permission to use their copyrighted materials in the state's proposed new science standards because of the standards' critical approach to evolution.

 

The National Academy of Sciences and the National Science Teachers Association said the much-disputed new standards "will put the students of Kansas at a competitive disadvantage as they take their place in the world."

 

The stinging rebuke came less than two weeks before the state school board is expected to put the science standards into effect. The new standards have also received a lukewarm review from an external education company.

 

While the copyright denial could cause delay in their adoption, as the standards are rewritten, it is unlikely to derail the board's conservative majority in its mission to require that challenges to Darwin's theories be taught in the state's classrooms.

 

"Kansas students will not be well-prepared for the rigors of higher education or the demands of an increasingly complex and technologically-driven world if their science education is based on these standards," Ralph J. Cicerone, president of the National Academy, and Michael J. Padilla, president of the teachers' group, said in a joint written statement today. "Instead, they will put the students of Kansas at a competitive disadvantage as they take their place in the world."

 

In the statement, as well as in letters to the state board, the groups opposed the standards for singling out evolution as a controversial theory, and also for changing the definition of science itself so that it is not restricted to natural phenomena.

 

A third organization, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, echoed those concerns in a news release supporting the copyright denial, saying: "Students are ill-served by any effort in science classrooms to blur the distinction between science and other ways of knowing, including those concerned with the supernatural."

 

The president of the state school board, Steve Abrams, who is the leader of its 6-4 conservative majority, said members could approve the standards on Nov. 8 as planned - but with a caveat directing a copyright lawyer to remove direct references to the groups' materials.

 

"The impact is minimal - it won't change the concepts," Dr. Abrams said. "They obviously don't have copyrights on concepts."

 

But the chairman of the standards-writing committee, Steve Case, said copyrighted material appears on almost all of the document's 100 pages, and predicted it could take two to three months to revise them.

 

"In some cases it's just a phrase, but in some cases it's extensive," said Dr. Case, an assistant research professor at the University of Kansas, who opposes the criticism of evolution that conservatives inserted into the standards. "You try to keep the idea but change the wording around, the writing becomes horrifically bad."

 

The copyright skirmish is not a surprise: the two groups took a similar step in 1999, when the Kansas board stripped the standards of virtually any reference to evolution, a move that was reversed when conservative members were ousted from office.

 

A board member who supports evolution, Sue Gamble, said the science groups' strong statement would not block the standards' adoption but could have a longer-term effect.

 

"Nothing is going to stop these six members from doing what they're going to do," Ms. Gamble said of the board's conservative majority, four of whom are up for re-election in 2006. "It won't make any difference, but I think it will make a difference next year in the election."

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nice going Kansas - you morons never learn, do you?

 

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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I'm going to get elected head of a state school board, and then I'm going to throw out the "theory" that lasers are accelerated light particles/waves in favor of a new theory: lasers are magic. It doesn't matter that I can't observe or predict the forces of magic that have created the lasers, you just gotta take it on faith that it's magic, because... well, just because. Don't question it, sinner!

Oh, and then we're going to take everyone in Kansas who thinks Evolution should be dropped in school in favor of Creationism, and relocate them to the Middle East - someplace where personal religious beliefs come first, and science & education come second. Those fundamentalists should feel right at home.

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Here's what i love about this - how the creationist coddling school boards in Kansas say, "this won't change much - it's simply a delay."

when, as history has shown us, that if the Nat'l Science Board feels like it, they can simply discredit every high school diploma coming from the kansas districts as being "incomplete."
science teachers all over the state are making the case that evolution is hard enough to teach in the time allotted as it is, and any added programs will only result in getting generic ideas and muddled concepts for BOTH.

what this means is, when students graduate high school, they can't get accepted into colleges outside of the state of kansas until they complete the curriculum - which, obviously isn't offered as a special course by any public education institution now.

and even if they DO just want to go to a kansas college, they still have to adhere to the college board's standards, which is very different from the state's standards now.

what a complete cluster {censored}, courtesy of the creationism myth.

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The whole concept of Intelligent Design just pisses me off to no end. What we've already discovered in the past 20 years was at one point was at one time considered to be beyond human comprehension at one point in time too. Mapping the Human Genome? A pipe dream 40 years ago, only God could sort that out. :rolleyes:

According to Intelligent Design, why even try to understand what we don't understand? Some things are so complicated that only God can undestand them is complete bull{censored} to me. Its a cop out, its creationism squinting an eye just so it can get into our schools.

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Originally posted by virtualtoad

I'm going to get elected head of a state school board, and then I'm going to throw out the "theory" that lasers are accelerated light particles/waves in favor of a new theory: lasers are magic. It doesn't matter that I can't observe or predict the forces of magic that have created the lasers, you just gotta take it on faith that it's magic, because... well, just because. Don't question it, sinner!

 

 

 

Hell, why not! Why try to comprehend and dedicate time to understanding it? Its much easier to say God did it.

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