Members Kimsuzzie... Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by derek_32999 Like what though? I mean a killer set up is a killer setup, and I love a thick neck, and I can tell the diff between a chambered body etc, but I dont understand the 3,000 guitar thing. Any time I ask someone they just say well its in the feel or the mojo give me more than that brotha!! I used to have the same thoughts.. Good example would be.. lets say, good pot VS. rag weed ? I currently own close to 20 guitars, I have been studing them for years as well.. There are many examples that take "time" to notice some are small details others are tremendous differences.. You also have the collectable thing, like whats it worth? Name branding in stuff..This sux.. Cuz, you cant base any real theory of difference on that.. I think to get started learning the differences.. start with the afforable MIJ tokai and Fender stuff from the early - mid 80's I think the squire stuff from that period was "right" compared to what you can get from the fender "new" offerings although the master built fender custom shop stuff is "right".. If you lived near buy I could show you in person the differences and you would see, feel, and hear right away, so dont go out and buy a $3000 guitar just yet.. Learn em first.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members opiepac Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by Kimsuzzie... good pot VS. rag weed ? !Reported to mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 4Kenoath Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by Kimsuzzie... theres a difference.. Some just cant tell.. dont worry about if you can't right now.. someday you will.. I always thought it was bull{censored} too but I can tell a difference now. I got no doubt there's a difference, but is the difference really worth paying 2-3 times as much? I expect there's 1%ers all over a strat like that, but strats aren't rocket science. There's a reason Leo designed 'em like that. I'm sure I'd love the feel and play of such a guitar, but plenty of far better guitarists than me played on far less for far better results. You'll sound much better spending $2000 on lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members derek_32999 Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by Kimsuzzie... good pot VS. rag weed ? But all of those differences show themselves 1) in about 10 min, 2) the next morning (if you got some real true rag weed) I gotta go up to fat sound guitars or the music loft and play some guitars!!Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kimsuzzie... Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by 4Kenoath I got no doubt there's a difference, but is the difference really worth paying 2-3 times as much? I expect there's 1%ers all over a strat like that, but strats aren't rocket science. There's a reason Leo designed 'em like that.I'm sure I'd love the feel and play of such a guitar, but plenty of far better guitarists than me played on far less for far better results. You'll sound much better spending $2000 on lessons. Most def! I think the prob with most new guitars out there is these companies have {censored}in bean counters tellin them how to manufacture the damn thing.. They are "profit" machines.. Leo wasn't.. Leo did it right and if had made a lil money well then cool was his attitude.. For guys like EVH and prince, those guitars are/were "MAINTAINED" constantly.. All the minor and major differences were taken care of for sure.. EVH used a PAF installed by himself they way he thought it was "right" Prince's hofner has been refretted to perfection for sure, prob buzz feitenized with correct hand wound pickups installed, hardware changed to "the good stuff" That doesnt ware out after a year I could go on and on here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Big Boss Man Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Damn! I gotta get me a Princeton Reverb. A few friend of mine has one. Killer little amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UncleDig Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Corksniffin' idjits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kimsuzzie... Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by UncleDig Corksniffin' idjits. I dont know man..I guess it comes down to whats it worth to you in the end?I bought a MIM 50's strat about 2 years ago for $600.. I sampled about 5 or 6 different ones at the store.. I liked this particular one the best.. I never giged with it, just used it for final testing of my pedals.. The neck pocket was cut perfect for the neck so it had great sustain for a cheapo.. After about a year it went downhill and I was not giggin with it, very light duty..The bridge saddles now are worn out the jack is cheap and loosens no matter what I do, the switch is gone.. the fret wire blows, the pickups are REAL FN weak NOW, the body is bulky and way too heavy for a 50's compared to the MIJ's and real ones I have sampled.. It still looks pretty with the poly coat thick ass paint on there.. The bean counters which only purpose is to make a guitar more afforable and increase profit by saving money on materials like a cheaper metals, cheap switch, did thier job well.. Now I have a $600 piece of {censored} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cokeman Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Anyone know why I get a broken Quicktime symbol instead of the video? It's not working for me and I would like to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members digital Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 it all sounds nice and gentle.. but it makes me .... he buys a 300$ pre-amp (valveboy) and the gain is barely there... you can almost play metal with the valveboy... at low volumes you can't hear what those pedals really can do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members st. fermin Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by digital at low volumes you can't hear what those pedals really can do... Exactly! There are so many good players out there with great ears and good taste that never get their cool rigs outta first gear. 20 killer pedals with the schmancy custom axe and hand made or vintage amp, and the whole rig sits on 1 or 2 for most of its life. A Squire and a Pignose amp would be just as satisfying. No wait, people tend to crank those Pignose amps. Let's hear those rigs doing what they are meant to do. Lets hear the interaction between the guitar and the amp regardless of how many rad pedals in are in between. It seems to be common knowledge that amps really 'come on' and get their character when you open them up, but not common practice. I'm not talking 70's arena rock volume, but enough volume to get the juices flowing.There are so many sleeping dragons of tone in bedroom rigs all over the world just waiting to wake up and rock. Gentlemen (and ladies), rouse your dragons and feel the heat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skipstar59 Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 This baby sounds just awesome with my pedal board, and it's just right for all my small club gigs. I picked it up about 3 weeks ago for $1000. I don't think that's alot of money because I've paid more amps that don't touch this amps mojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 This sounds better and is much more interesting to me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kimsuzzie... Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by digital it all sounds nice and gentle.. but it makes me .... he buys a 300$ pre-amp (valveboy) and the gain is barely there... you can almost play metal with the valveboy... at low volumes you can't hear what those pedals really can do... This guy is a session player he uses that set up in his apt..There is no doubt he opens that {censored} up live.. I think it was VERY cool of him to do a low volume demo on his own dime.. I think he deserve his props.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newstrat60 Posted March 29, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 ... not to mention that bedroom warriors have a right to live... and learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fatbackribs Posted May 2, 2006 Members Share Posted May 2, 2006 Hi Folks,I've been having some fun hanging around the hc effects forum of late and was recently pointed to this thread. Looks familiar... I made those clips as part of a post on TGP, I go by Fatback there. First off a big hello to the fellow 6-string gear obsessed folks out there. What a wonderful illness we all share.I made the original COT50 vid as an experiment with a Cannon A70, just to see how recording clips with such a down 'n dirty setup would turn out. The camera mic definately adds some compression and restricts the volume to speaking levels, but does a fairly good job of capturing the room sound. The response to the clip was very posative and I was really flattered when Sean got in touch asked to put it on his site, being a big fan of the Lovepedal line.One thing led to another and now there are a whole mess of those dang clips. Some are demos, a few were requests, a couple were just me having fun with my toys, and one or two were for specific people. I'll be taking some of the clips down soon, as they have done their job or made their points in long deads threads on various boards, but rest assured they'll be more in the future... on the rig:Part of getting that home rig together, was to be able to "fake" a big amp sound at apartment levels. I was happy using the Valveboy for years before I found the COT50. Now they stay together. Same goes for the Balance and a tc dual parametric eq, which now has a permanent spot, last in line before the delay on my board. The tc really helps me get a "big" sound at quiet levels. When I get the amp up over 2 1/2 I turn off the eq and let the power tubes fill out the sound. This pedal rig sounds even better into a Deluxe reverb and out through a 2x12 loaded with a pair of celestion blues.and the Lentz S...Different strokes for different folks. I love my Lentz S, but it's definately not for everyone. With it's huge neck, low output pickups, and being set up with high-action my Lentz is often a love it/leave it situation when other folks try it. It was made for my hands and Scott did an incredible job. I feel lucky to have found out about him when I did. Prices on these old S style Lentz guitars are just silly these days. Luckily Scott is now making a three pickup-trem SSL model with his new body shape and headstock that can be had for half the price of an old Lentz S. With all that said, I've been really enjoying playing a mexi-made Martin mini and an old pawn shop Harmony, Rocket the last couple of days. If a guitar sounds and feels good, than it is good.In any case, I'm glad some of you enjoyed the clip. Aren't we all bedroom warriors at the end of the day...Congrats on the amp slipstar. That's a beaut!I'll be seeing you folks around:wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members erksin Posted May 2, 2006 Members Share Posted May 2, 2006 Originally posted by digital at low volumes you can't hear what those pedals really can do... Beg to differ here - it's at low volumes that you get to hear what separates a decent pedal from a truly great one IMO. So many pedals have a very narrow sweetspot - usually at the higher end of the volume range. The fact that he can get those breathing, swirling, pumping cab tones at TV volumes just goes to show how great AND versatile those pedals are. I play mostly at low volume like Fatback does on those clips - it's incredibly difficult to get 'believeable' cranked amp sounds I can attest, but it can be done with the right combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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