Members mumford Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 I plugged it in for about 15-20 minutes last night using a P90 Les Paul into a Gibson Discoverer amp at very low volume. The only other effect I used with it was an EH microsynth in front of it. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpectralJulian Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 You don't want the tones to be too loud, thats called too much VCO bleedthrough. If you unplug your guitar cable from it, the tones would probably be a bit louder.Don't give up on having the microsynth before the ringtone. If you have your original signal + octave down+ octave up and erratically pick around the 12th fret really fast, you will get some cool ring mod sounds + the octave up and down of it + ring modulated glitches. If you put your microsynth after the ring mod, you are just going to get pure glitched ring modulations, which will just end up sounding muddy. You can get non atonal sounds to it. You just got to try harder . Did you watch the setting up the ringtone video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 hmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 29, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Originally posted by SpectralJulian You can get non atonal sounds to it. You just got to try harder . Did you watch the setting up the ringtone video? Yep, several times. Keep in mind, when I say atonal, I don't necessarily mean unmusical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpectralJulian Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Oh, ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 29, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Any else get one? Olle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Arjae Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 So.... I have watched the video once through on this thing and am not sure I understand it. It seemed like a hell of a lot of set-up time involved. Is this pedal not plug and play like say the Moog Ring-Mod? Does it only do sequenced patterns? The way I see it is you have to set it for a defined thing you are going to play and that is it.Please enlighten me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 29, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Kind of depends on what you're looking for I suppose. You definitely could just plug in and play and get good results. Even just using it that way, you've got a lot of options-- 8 different steps, running in order, running in random. I do think the best results will come from a bit of tweaking though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members varialbender Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Arjae, you *can* set it up for a specific riff you're going to play, but then again, you can put it to random and have a nice random part, or you can put it to step and use it as a regular non-sequencing ring mod, until you decide to hit the switch to go to the next frequency. Very different from the moog, but they can cover some of the same ground. If you disable the LFO on the moog (amount 0) and set it to high frequencies for regular ring mod sounds, you'll get something similar when the ring tone is set to step and you're staying at that one frequency. It requires a bit of setup time to match it to a riff, but for what it's doing, it's probably the fastest at setting up, mainly because of the "bleed" (being able to hear the oscillator when you're not playing) and the step function. Just put it to step, play the first note of your riff, tune the first oscillator to that note, then step to the next, play another note, tune, etc... You can probably do it in 20 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ollenorin Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 Yeah !Got mine with a Fuzz factory today !gonna try it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shepherdspy Posted March 29, 2006 Members Share Posted March 29, 2006 bump good review of interesting effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 30, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Used it with the band last night off and on throughout our set. At this point, I haven't found a way to fit it into our stuff that isn't a "what's that?" sound. I can definitely see a lot of ways it could be used in different contexts, and our bass player LOVED it, but I don't see myself using it. Basically, I'd need to write things around it, and I don't like to write material that can only be performed with some specific piece of gear (once the novelty wears off they tend to be weaker songs.) I'm a bit torn right now between keeping it for a while and seeing if it grows on me, or getting rid of it while they're scarce. That's a lot of scratch for something I don't think I'm going to use. Very cool, I bet a lot of people will be able to use them, definitely a neat unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 30, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 I think I may have a new record! The honeymoon lasted about 24 hours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Arjae Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Originally posted by mumford Used it with the band last night off and on throughout our set. At this point, I haven't found a way to fit it into our stuff that isn't a "what's that?" sound. I can definitely see a lot of ways it could be used in different contexts, and our bass player LOVED it, but I don't see myself using it. Basically, I'd need to write things around it, and I don't like to write material that can only be performed with some specific piece of gear (once the novelty wears off they tend to be weaker songs.) I'm a bit torn right now between keeping it for a while and seeing if it grows on me, or getting rid of it while they're scarce. That's a lot of scratch for something I don't think I'm going to use. Very cool, I bet a lot of people will be able to use them, definitely a neat unit. I watched the videos again on it and feel the same way you do about it. I am actually getting ZVex GAS for the first time ever on the Tremorama though. That looks like it would be a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ollenorin Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ive been playing around with it for an hour....IT is Fantastic. Innovative sounds and lots of stuff i can think of directly to use with the band.Also it sounded wicked with a Fuzz Factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members capnbringdown Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 I think the real question, though, is how do you like the microsynth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 30, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 It's pretty cool, a lot easier for me to incorporate. I used it for the first time with the band last night as well, and kind of randomly shifted things around here and there. Got some very cool sounds once I got past the "it's a glorifed envelope filter" stage and into the actual tweaking. How's the ooh wah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members capnbringdown Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Glad to see you like it. The ooh wah is okay, but really, I'm all over the map on it. I've been past the honeymoon phase where I thought it was a kewl effect. I started messing around with it, but I haven't really found any other settings I like besides the random sample hold it can do. But I've think I've moved past the phase of "this is all it can do?" to "it does this pretty well, and it's not like I have gas for anything else" (with exception to my pog thread, but I don't think that's going to be for me) "so I might as well keep it and use it for what it does." If you know what I mean, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 30, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 That's basically how I feel about the Oohwah AND the microsynth AND the ringtone! Bad luck of late! I do think the tap tempo mod would make a big difference though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members harbong Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 I can understand your feelings. I agree with the micro knob worries. One thing that I do like is how the led's are slighty different in intensity so you can tell what channel you are on when stepping through them. Pretty soon after zvex announced the ringtone I went about selling my mm4, which I only used for ring mod and panning. I already had incorporated ring mod sounds into my basic guitar vocabulary if you will and had gotten quite comfortable with it maintaining a role in my sound. In the months between having a ring mod, I really missed it, as lame as that sounds, but there's really not much that can touch it. That being said, I love my ring tone and can't see selling it. I used the mm4 for about 4 ring mod tones tuned to pitches my band plays in, so the ring tone is like that times two with an eighth the footprint. You'd have to devote an entire mm4's four channels with both exp extremes to have those 8 tones at your feet. I have the first 6 channels set to different pitchs, but mostly use one at a time and not in sequence, because it seems like a waste to use the whole ring tone for only one song's fine tuned chord progression (at least live - in the studio it will surely become very popular for that as zach anticipates). the last two are set to tremolo sounds. I do find it interesting that zach didn't demonstrate the tremolo/vibrato settings you can get in the upper ranges. maybe it just doesn't interest him. They are organic and usable, they will probably lead me to sell my supa trem (which I rarely use - I've never been big on 'swirly' effects). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members endo23 Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 I think this Honeymoon effect is common with the Vex "sequencer" type pedals, because they can seem limited and/or frustrating, especially when playing with a band... I don't know. I sold my Ooh Wah because I felt the MOOG MuRF was like a (much) bigger, badder, more versatile version of the same idea for about the same price, and I never regretted it. (The MuRF is one of the coolest guitar effects ever, IMO.) But on the other hand, I finally figured out how to use my Seek-Trem and now I would never let go of it. It knocked my "standard" Menatone Trem right off the board. Can do simple, pretty trem sounds or really cool time-based effects. At any rate, I hope Zach gets back to making effects without sequencer controls-- the Box of Rock is obviously exciting in this regard, but I would love to see a Delay or Modulation pedal from him. He's a brilliant designer, but some of his effects are better in the studio than on the stage, and for the price he's asking, that's not enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 30, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 I know he says he won't do a delay, but somehow I keep expecting a sequenced delay from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members endo23 Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 I didn't know he said that-- why the heck not?Delay's one of the most essential effects out there, and no one's really "reinvented" it since the DMM dropped back in the day... I would LOVE to see what Zach could do with an (analog) delay...Zach: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Arjae Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Originally posted by endo23 I didn't know he said that-- why the heck not? Delay's one of the most essential effects out there, and no one's really "reinvented" it since the DMM dropped back in the day... I would LOVE to see what Zach could do with an (analog) delay... Zach: Something about a buddy of his makes the definitive delay and he won't step on his toes or something. But yeah, he has been pretty adamant about not doing one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted March 30, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Originally posted by Arjae Something about a buddy of his makes the definitive delay He's friends with the guy who started digitech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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