Members omor Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 So I've been hooked on Jesu and many other bands out there taking full use of layering in their recordings... I want to do it live. I'm soon planning a MacBookPro purchase, and after I get the whole interface/latency thing worked out, do any of you folks know of any software to help me out? I'm looking for full functionality, being able to do real-time sampling to the computer, then have it continue the loop, then be able to add layers to it and whatnot, differing lengths and whatnot as well, the better the software is designed to cater to my needs the better, as I'll need all the help I can get. I've been looking at digital performer, but I'm not sure it'll do what I want, it's my understanding it handles prerecorded loops, so I'm thinking maybe Ableton live is more up my alley? what say you, effect (and hopefully looping) community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eXCeSS Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 why not a a loop stationor something designed for iti bet youd be a lot more pissed if your brand new computer that doubles as a guitar pedal got stolen, than if your guitar pedal got stolen49 minutes enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members greaseenvelope Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 Good luck. Go to loopers delight internet forum, first off. I have to this point been unsatisfied with software live looping and have a bandmate who has been trying to develop a software looping rig that works the way he wants for YEARS and keeps encountering 1 problem after another. If you don't want to get deep into programming and want something reliable enough to use live I would still go hardware at this point in time. The only person I know of who has a rock solid software based live looping setup is Jamie Lidell, who rocks the {censored}ing house, and according to what he told me uses something it took him years to program in MAX/msp. He suggested I try the same in reaktor5 instead (it wasn't as good at glitch-free sample manipulation until the latest rev). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members omor Posted April 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 well ultimately, i know hardware is the best way to do it reliably. But i want the ability to tweak stuff and have no end to it, you know? i hate boss crap, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nubly Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 Mobius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members percyexpat Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 i just started a loop on this subject up at craig anderton's forum actually. my thinking at the moment is that ableton live with augustus loop as a third party plugin installed would work best. Live will give you the sonic manipulation youre after although its a pain for on the fly looping. very difficult to get it right. augustus loop is well spoken of though. p.s. whats wrong with boss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members percyexpat Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 Originally posted by Nubly Mobius is this available on osx? im using it on my windows laptop at the moment, it is excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nubly Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 Originally posted by percyexpat is this available on osx? im using it on my windows laptop at the moment, it is excellent Naw.. I believe it's just for Windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members omor Posted April 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 I just found this on the ableton website, I'm pretty convinced that this is a great solution for what I'm looking to do, anybody else have any input on this?http://www.ableton.com/_common/downloads/pages2/artist_kid_beyond/kid-beyond.mov yeah its cheezy, but it demonstrates basically everything I'd be wanting to do, that MIDI keymapping software is pretty sweet, I wouldnt have thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members percyexpat Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 Originally posted by omor I just found this on the ableton website, I'm pretty convinced that this is a great solution for what I'm looking to do, anybody else have any input on this? http://www.ableton.com/_common/downloads/pages2/artist_kid_beyond/kid-beyond.movyeah its cheezy, but it demonstrates basically everything I'd be wanting to do, that MIDI keymapping software is pretty sweet, I wouldnt have thought of that. yeah you can take his approach and live will do it but its complicated. you have to have the program set up correctly before hand and its difficult to delete a loop if you make a mistake, he doesnt delete loops. its very powerful software but its not very intuitive. its very frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members omor Posted April 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 well, my loops arent ever going to be insanely complex, im aiming for an ambient but very heavy at times performance...I'm just looking to fill deadspace because my band is a 2 piece, me and a drummer. being able to tweak the loops on the fly is a pretty awesome feature I'd be wanting to take advantage of, I'm thinking with a decent midi footcontroller and knob panel I should be set... I'm just not sure If I'm gonna want to lug all my gear around as its gonna get pretty unwieldy, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members percyexpat Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 Originally posted by omor well, my loops arent ever going to be insanely complex, im aiming for an ambient but very heavy at times performance...I'm just looking to fill deadspace because my band is a 2 piece, me and a drummer. being able to tweak the loops on the fly is a pretty awesome feature I'd be wanting to take advantage of, I'm thinking with a decent midi footcontroller and knob panel I should be set...I'm just not sure If I'm gonna want to lug all my gear around as its gonna get pretty unwieldy, I'm sure. you can run VST effects instead of pedals, much space saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members omor Posted April 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 which is something I'm SERIOUSLY considering. I make a lot of my own pedals and whatnot so I should be able to put together a nice floor rig where I can keep all my nasty distortions and things that I know a VST wont be able to do well... Reverbs and things, thats where my VSTs are going to be used heavily. Does anybody have any cool little recommendations as far as firewire interfaces and MIDI controllers (both foot controllers and tabletop controllers) in this video http://www.ableton.com/_common/downloads/pages2/artists/sound_tribe_sector_9/sound_tribe_sector_9.mov I saw the use of a midi controller that seems to include a little X-Y controller, anybody know the maker of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members percyexpat Posted April 11, 2006 Members Share Posted April 11, 2006 Originally posted by omor which is something I'm SERIOUSLY considering. I make a lot of my own pedals and whatnot so I should be able to put together a nice floor rig where I can keep all my nasty distortions and things that I know a VST wont be able to do well...Reverbs and things, thats where my VSTs are going to be used heavily.Does anybody have any cool little recommendations as far as firewire interfaces and MIDI controllers (both foot controllers and tabletop controllers)in this video http://www.ableton.com/_common/downloads/pages2/artists/sound_tribe_sector_9/sound_tribe_sector_9.movI saw the use of a midi controller that seems to include a little X-Y controller, anybody know the maker of that? i cant download the movie cos my computer refuses to play .mov files for some weird reason. im thinking simularly. dirt has to be analog obviously yeah but VST reverbs and delays can sound pretty nice and theyre way more versatile than any floor rig because you can chop and change the order so easily. totally customisable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members percyexpat Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by omor which is something I'm SERIOUSLY considering. I make a lot of my own pedals and whatnot so I should be able to put together a nice floor rig where I can keep all my nasty distortions and things that I know a VST wont be able to do well...Reverbs and things, thats where my VSTs are going to be used heavily.Does anybody have any cool little recommendations as far as firewire interfaces and MIDI controllers (both foot controllers and tabletop controllers)in this video http://www.ableton.com/_common/downloads/pages2/artists/sound_tribe_sector_9/sound_tribe_sector_9.movI saw the use of a midi controller that seems to include a little X-Y controller, anybody know the maker of that? hi there, thought this might interest you. apparently lets you set up a laptop with vsts simply as an effects rig. http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fernmeister Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 if you are checking out live, take a look at the avi bortnick vid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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