OD Pedal

[Dan1990]

I have a marshall DSL100 atm currently running an uber metal pedal thru it. I was wondering if i can do metal syle riffs like slayer for example just by using the amps overdrive. if this is possible can anyone recomend me a good pedal to do this (sorry about the phrasing but im a tube amp noob having just come from a SS amp)

[freeridstylee]

Yup that's exactly what a good overdrive will do for you. Tube distortion is made by clipping, like overpowering your tubes. Like picture the sound wave your guitar makes being too big so if you were looking at it graphically you wouldn't be able to see the top of the wave. Like if your screaming into a mic and the leavel is maxed out on your meter. The thing is when you push solid state amps and pa's too hard they start to distort (clip) in a bad way. This is why tube amps are more loved by everyone.

If that doesn't make any sense, don't worry about it, its hard to explain. To answer your question. Yup an overdrive pedal is exactly what your looking for. If you want more distortion without coloring your amp's tone (like a distortion pedal does). Then you can use an overdrive pedal to push your tubes harder. A lot of people use them as a clean boost, Put the gain to zero, and volume way up. it does wonders for your tone.

couple to look at:

Ibanez Tubescreamer series.
(or route 66 pedal, can get them for like 60 used, and it comes with a compressor, a great deal imo)
Lot of people like the Boss OD
The Digitec Bad Money is a fav. Simaler to the tube screamer, less mid hump, GREAT PRICE)
My fav is the Zoom PD-01 ~ Because it is the cleanest boost and has 2 tone controls.

[barney steele]

I have a JCM 2000 and I boost my uber metal with an sd-1. I'm not that crazy about boss pedals but they work together real well. The pinched harmonics are completely crazy when you add the sd-1 in with it. I also run a smart gate because it tends to squeal a little bit when you are using them both together. The built in noise gate on the uber metal pretty much takes care of itself but when you add the sd-1 it's a little too much for it to handle at high volume. I've also tried my SCOD with the uber metal and thats pretty much like two titans crashing head on. It's just too much. So I'd try an sd-1, it is easy to regulate with the uber metal and is cheap.

[89strat]

Originally posted by freeridstylee Yup that's exactly what a good overdrive will do for you. Tube distortion is made by clipping, like overpowering your tubes. Like picture the sound wave your guitar makes being too big so if you were looking at it graphically you wouldn't be able to see the top of the wave. Like if your screaming into a mic and the leavel is maxed out on your meter. The thing is when you push solid state amps and pa's too hard they start to distort (clip) in a bad way. This is why tube amps are more loved by everyone. If that doesn't make any sense, don't worry about it, its hard to explain. To answer your question. Yup an overdrive pedal is exactly what your looking for. If you want more distortion without coloring your amp's tone (like a distortion pedal does). Then you can use an overdrive pedal to push your tubes harder. A lot of people use them as a clean boost, Put the gain to zero, and volume way up. it does wonders for your tone. couple to look at: Ibanez Tubescreamer series. (or route 66 pedal, can get them for like 60 used, and it comes with a compressor, a great deal imo) Lot of people like the Boss OD The Digitec Bad Money is a fav. Simaler to the tube screamer, less mid hump, GREAT PRICE) My fav is the Zoom PD-01 ~ Because it is the cleanest boost and has 2 tone controls.

 

 

 

I've been trying the pd-01 to push my amp, but at some times seems a bit shrill. Any good settings you can suggest?

[freeridstylee]

my settings are simple, but will probably only work for my amp. I do gain to 0, level between 2 and 4, bass at 12 oclock and treble at 10.

You will probably get some shrillness if your boosting too much into a clean channel. In that case the pd-01 can be useful to sweeten up your clean channel a bit. If you really want to overdrive your preamp tubes and ditch the shrillness try turning the level all the way up. (I'm assuming you have a tube amp, if not the pd-01 can only really be used like a distortion pedal)

[Dan1990]

so would a boss SD-1 and a behringer 7 band EQ be good for my setup to get a really metal tone out of my amp?

[DJLantz444]

Originally posted by Dan1990 so would a boss SD-1 and a behringer 7 band EQ be good for my setup to get a really metal tone out of my amp?

 

 

Look into the Dano Fish and Chips.. better buy than the behringer.

[Dan1990]

ok will do

[barney steele]

I'm curious to see how the fish and chips compares to MXR's 10 band EQ. I really want the MXR but the fish and chips is way lighter on the wallet and I've been hearing good things. I play a lot of thrash and I'm wondering if that would really help push my sound a step further.

[Jody Butt]

A late reply. Thread necromancy.

I see that two people here are using Ubermetals with their very respectable Marshall tube amps (DSL and JCM2000 ?). Why?

I played a DSL100 at a local guitar store, and thought that it totally killed anything I had previously played (including the Ubermetal, which I own). Totally tight metal with lots of punch. Very organic, and not fizzy.

I am still thinking about buying a DSL100. Can you guys (or anyone else) comment on this? Is their something I'm not getting here. The natural amp distortion coming from the Marshall sounded so much better to me than the Ubermetal. Did I not spend enough time with the DSL?

[barney steele]

I'm not sure about the DSL but in my opinion the JCM 2000 is mid/bottom heavy and to get that high gain metal/thrash sound out of it naturally it really doesn't cut it. I run an uber metal and a fish n' chips and it that pretty much gives me what I want. I'm debating getting a 5150 down the road just for metal/thrash but I can't see taking a risk and dropping the money only to find out the setup I have right now can do what the 5150 can. Any thoughts?

[Jody Butt]

Originally posted by barney steele I'm not sure about the DSL but in my opinion the JCM 2000 is mid/bottom heavy and to get that high gain metal/thrash sound out of it naturally it really doesn't cut it. I run an uber metal and a fish n' chips and it that pretty much gives me what I want. I'm debating getting a 5150 down the road just for metal/thrash but I can't see taking a risk and dropping the money only to find out the setup I have right now can do what the 5150 can. Any thoughts?

 

 

I'm really surprised that you run an Ubermetal into an amp as awesome as the DSL. What gives? I have an Ubermetal, too, but I thought that the DSL, even without a boost, had way better tone. Real, organic tube distortion.

 

Edit: I thought that the DSL was a JCM2000 model. No?

[barney steele]

No they are different

[GRINGO_LOCO]

Its really common to push the gain of your amp "over the top" with a OD pedal, or a clean boost. The Zakk Wylde ZW-44 pedal (which is a factory modded SD-1), for instance, was designed for this purpose.

Some good pedals to consider:

TS9
SD1
ZW44
OD3
FDII
SCP
Fat Boost
LPB

There are tons more as well.

GRINGO

[Jody Butt]

Yeah, but the Ubermetal doesn't really work as a boost. I tried it. Not nearly enough output. Have others had different results?

[Ronsonic B]

Originally posted by Jody Butt A late reply. Thread necromancy. I see that two people here are using Ubermetals with their very respectable Marshall tube amps (DSL and JCM2000 ?). Why?

 

 

A lot of metal guys I do stuff for prefer to run Marshall heads at relatively low gain settings and get the necessary sickness from the pedals.

 

Not what I do musically, but then I don't sing like Cookie Monster either.

 

Ron

[RUExp?]

Originally posted by Jody Butt A late reply. Thread necromancy.

The amazing thing is you found a thread from back in April without the search function.

[stangme01]

I run an ubermetal through all my expensive amps.......for low volume stuff, it has no dynamics AT ALL when turned up loud so its useless to me at loud volumes, but sounds awesome at low volumes. If you like the sound of the uber metal it is VERY close to sounding like a 5150, basically its a 5150 in a box but with a little bit more gain than the 5150. but the 5150 has much more dynamics. Metal zone reminds me of a mesa mark III btw (although i actually like the metal zone sound more lol)

I really like the 5150 but don't like the mark III at all.