Anybody emmigrated?

[sub rosa]

I'm interested to hear about the hows and whys. I've the ability to go to New Zealand and/or Australia due to dual nationality but obviously its a big undertaking.

[GuyaGuy]

Originally posted by sub rosa I'm interested to hear about the hows and whys. I've the ability to go to New Zealand and/or Australia due to dual nationality but obviously its a big undertaking.

well around here we call it "emigrate." or "immigrate." either one.

i lived in austria for 11 years. i guess that made me an immigrant.

if you can go somewhere where you have citizenship it'll make things a lot easier--no hassles about visas, work permits, etc.
of course, nowadays you can live anywhere in the EU with the same benefits as the country you emigrate to. why are you thinking of leaving england?

[Brian Marshall]

sort of.

My father is from the states, and my mother is from Australia. They divorced when i was five. My parents lived, and were married in the USA, and both my sister and i were born here.

After the divorce a custody battle went on. Initially after the divorce they were issued joint custody, even though my mother had some "issues". basically she was an alcoholic, but back then almost no judge would give full custody to the father.

During the custody battle, my mom decided to buy 3 plane tickets and take us back to australia. This was illegal for my mom, but enforcement on this kind of stuff in 1979 was non-existent. My dad was not told where we were going, just that we had dissappeared.

Once we were in australia, there was basically nothing my dad could do legally with out an ass load of money. My sister and i were granted citizenship because our mother was a citizen.

My mothers parents and my uncle were the only people in australia my dad really knew. At first they protected her, but after a couple years or so they realized she had problems. She never had a job while we lived there in 2.5 years.

Finally my dad found out exactly where we were from my grandparents, and flew down for a few weeks, and eventually convinced my mom that she should move back, and they would share custody.

We moved back for two or three years, and my mom pulled the same thing again, taking us back to australia. This time of course my dad knew exactly where we were, and was in australia with in a few weeks. This time with his life savings, and a good lawyer.

In the end the court in australia decided that the marriage, divorce, and custody were under the juristiction of the USA, and that they couldnt make a decision either way. They ordered us in to the temporary custody of my father, and he took us back home. My dad also gave my mother over $10k to move back. She never did.

I never had to apply for citizenship or anything because i already had it, but i can tell you this. Things which are already complex legally (like divorces) are made even more complex when you through an international boarder in to the mix.

[Brian Marshall]

Originally posted by GuyaGuy well around here we call it "emigrate." or "immigrate." either one. i lived in austria for 11 years. i guess that made me an immigrant. if you can go somewhere where you have citizenship it'll make things a lot easier--no hassles about visas, work permits, etc. of course, nowadays you can live anywhere in the EU with the same benefits as the country you emigrate to. why are you thinking of leaving england?

i believe immigrage is to arrive, where as emigrate is to leave...

[theManfromAlabam]

I am first generation Irish, so I was able to get an Irish passport...dual USA/Irish...anyway it's pretty cool knowing that I could emmigrate to the Republic of Ireland or within the European Union if I should ever have the desire to do so:)

[sub rosa]

Originally posted by GuyaGuy why are you thinking of leaving england?

 

 

I have no real interest in staying here. Because of my passport I believe I should at least explore what I can do and Australasia v UK, well, the UK is not winning any points!

[4Kenoath]

Originally posted by sub rosa I have no real interest in staying here. Because of my passport I believe I should at least explore what I can do and Australasia v UK, well, the UK is not winning any points!

Heh, and the weather's {censored}e.

Tikirocker or Fern (preferably not in the same room) would have a pretty good idea, but they've mostly done it in reverse (stay in UK) for a period, although Fern is in Asia, I believe his home base is still London.

The other good thing is your assets in British pounds will be worth a lot more here, even more in NZ. If you're thinking of moving here seriously, start saving as much as you can, cause you'll be rewarded well with the exchange rate.

BTW a 200,000 GBP (= $450,000Aus) house in London would be pathetically small, but that money in Aus$ would buy a pretty nice mid sized house on a 1/4 acre here (perhaps not in Sydney which is the most expensive city in Oz).

The downside is guitar gear is horribly expensive here but you can just buy it from the US like I do...at least we don't have any duty taxes on importing gear worth

[Go Hemi, go]

Poms (limeys) seem to love Adelaide and Perth.

NZ is kinda like an English village in the 50's... but superb scenery.

[Brian Marshall]

Originally posted by sub rosa I have no real interest in staying here. Because of my passport I believe I should at least explore what I can do and Australasia v UK, well, the UK is not winning any points!

 

 

australia-

when its really really really cold people put shirts on.

A really bad rain storm lasts 10 mintues.

larger to medium sized cities are not overly poluted, or crowded (although they tend to burn down every few decades)

girls will probably like you for being english.

cheaper to live than most of europe.

 

england-

cold

wet

crowded

expensive.

 

I wouldnt mind living in either country. I actually have never been to england, but think i would like it there. I love australia. In a lot of ways it more in common with the US than england from what i understand.

[The*Ataris]

My parents were living in Japan when I was born, so I was born with dual citizenship. Pretty sure I lost it when I turned 18 though...

Perks:
--I could play on the Japanese Olympic team
--Could still be President because I was born on an American air force base
--Could probably move back without much difficulty

However, I'm German/Irish--wouldn't really fit in. Don't know the language either. I would love to go back for a little while just to see what it's like. Check out some guitars, meet a couple of girls, you know, go on vacation

I think Australia would be a blast too; that's definitely on the list...

[fernmeister]

Originally posted by 4Kenoath Heh, and the weather's {censored}e. Tikirocker or Fern (preferably not in the same room) would have a pretty good idea, but they've mostly done it in reverse (stay in UK) for a period, although Fern is in Asia, I believe his home base is still London. The other good thing is your assets in British pounds will be worth a lot more here, even more in NZ. If you're thinking of moving here seriously, start saving as much as you can, cause you'll be rewarded well with the exchange rate. BTW a 200,000 GBP (= $450,000Aus) house in London would be pathetically small, but that money in Aus$ would buy a pretty nice mid sized house on a 1/4 acre here (perhaps not in Sydney which is the most expensive city in Oz). The downside is guitar gear is horribly expensive here but you can just buy it from the US like I do...at least we don't have any duty taxes on importing gear worth

i was born in chile, my family then moved to australia, i then moved to london, then delhi and now en route to hong kong.

both delhi and hong kong are temporay moves, whilst australia (for my parents) and london (for me) were permanent moves of choice. the difference between the two kinds of moves is significant.

london is the place for me these days and if for no other reason than tax, it makes sense to have one's investments and savings outside aus, especially if you are not planning on retiring there.

these days, if you have any kind of savings, it makes sense to hedge your exchange risk anyway.

when my wife and i talk about retirement, we still think it would be nice to love in europe, but have a small holiday place somehere in australia.

since moving to adelaide my parents have made friends with a couple who moved from the UK a few years ago. they traded a run-down four bedroom place in a bad neighbourhood with a hellish commute for a near new 5 bedroom place with beach views, a big saltwater pool and a 15 minute walk to work.

as 4ken put, if you have assets in the UK, they can go a very *long* way down under.

one of my wife's former colleagues in london is now GM of a firm in nz and looking to make his move permanent. apparently his family love it there. here in delhi, two of the friends I have made are also seriously looking at moves to either nz or australia, again because they are looking at what their homes in the UK can buy them downunder (one owns outright an

[fusionid]

yeah I immigrated to the states when I was 16 from Mexico.
I am from a middle class family, both parents professionals. One lawyer the other one a doctor. I had american legal resident rights cuz my grandmother was born in the states. My story is diff from most mexicans because when I turned 16 I told my parents I wanted to try going to school in the states. Personal desicion all in all.
I love this country and because I love the electric guitar, I am exposed to so much because I live here.

it can be hard to get effects, amps and guitars in autralia. YOu can use MI audio though... I think about that sometimes. We are blessed here in the states.

[Boron]

Came to NZ just before I turned 5 with my parents, who misguidedly tried to retire here. I wouldn't live anywhere else.

This is a vibrant, friendly, unique, hugely energetic place to live where people overachieve and don't big themselves up about it. We have incredible music and you can still buy a house in the city here without being a stockbroker. We make the best coffee in the world, and don't make it habit to invade other countries, or assist nations who do. We have more coastline than the U.S and it's 99.9% stunningly beautiful, as are the inland regions.

I have dual citizenship and 2 passports (NZ, British). Yowza! That {censored}'s like gold dust down here.

[Brian Marshall]

i have been to the aukland airport 6 times

my dad actually moved to the portland area, because it reminded him of an area he live at in new zealand.

[Go Hemi, go]

Is it true that you guys stopped having an airforce, cause you couldn't afford any more planes?

Most kiwis quote some pacifist blurb when questioned, but the truth is, you know who's gonna do the heavy lifting and pull your butts out of the BBQ, should political balances shift....

You have protection for free from Australia and the US.

Shouldn't you be thanking us profusely??

[4Kenoath]

I can't see NZ ever being attacked by foreign countries but military hardware can come in good use in major disasters and in local South Pacific skirmishes like the Solomans presently.

NZ just not big enough to sustain an airforce or large military, and they're smart enough to stay off the radar as far as terrorism etc goes, unlike out idiotic government.

Anyway, Aus and NZ are very different countries despite being neighbours, so it's worth checking out both first hand to see which fits.

For example, I've met ex-kiwis who've moved to Aus and said they always knew Oz was their real home...I'm sure it happens the other way to. Place of birth is often irrelevant.

[sub rosa]

Originally posted by Brian Marshall girls will probably like you for being english.

Well, there is always that!


Bonus!

[4Kenoath]

Originally posted by sub rosa Well, there is always that! Bonus!

He said "probably"...


...you have to look like Hugh Grant first.

[sub rosa]

Originally posted by 4Kenoath He said "probably"... ...you have to look like Hugh Grant first.

 

 

I....I am Hugh Grant.

[henk]

Originally posted by Brian Marshall i believe immigrage is to arrive, where as emigrate is to leave...

 

 

Correct.

[Emoco]

Damn if I could move to NZ or Oz from England straight away I would.

I hate the UK.

Overpriced, miserable, scallies, dull, boring, cold. I hate British things in general, football, The Sun, retarded celebs, Coronation Street.

What a pile of steaming {censored}.

[sub rosa]

Originally posted by Emoco Damn if I could move to NZ or Oz from England straight away I would. I hate the UK. Overpriced, miserable, scallies, dull, boring, cold. I hate British things in general, football, The Sun, retarded celebs, Coronation Street. What a pile of steaming {censored}.

 

 

Sold! Cheers bud.

[4Kenoath]

Originally posted by Emoco Overpriced, miserable, scallies, dull, boring, cold. I hate British things in general, football, The Sun, retarded celebs, Coronation Street. What a pile of steaming {censored}.

Hahaha...I was only there for about a week, and that's how I felt. Arrived back in Oz and it was pouring with rain and I had a really annoying cabbie, but it was still paradise.

No wonder you guys are always depressed.

[sub rosa]

Originally posted by 4Kenoath Hahaha...I was only there for about a week, and that's how I felt. Arrived back in Oz and it was pouring with rain and I had a really annoying cabbie, but it was still paradise. No wonder you guys are always depressed.

It's funny 'cos it's true.

[4Kenoath]

Originally posted by sub rosa It's funny 'cos it's true.

The irony is that both my brothers are living there, although one moved back to Ireland and only goes over for business.

Losers.