Members fuzzface71 Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 What is that effect he's using around 2:16 on "Black Napkins" from Zoot Allures? I'm sure it's an enevelope filter, but what kind? I've been listening to some Zappa again these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bieke Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 Mutron III probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzface71 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 Originally posted by bieke Mutron III probably That's my guess too. Since it might be one of the only few available at the time. Is there anything out there that can come close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mumford Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 Might have been the maestro sample and hold, I know he used the SH side of it on Duck Duck Goose/Ship Ahoy. I'm just guessing, though, I haven't listened to it in a while. On Inca Roads (the original version) he used a fairly subtle env. filter, like a Dr. Q that the input is being hammered. But again, I'm just guessing. I'll shut up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bieke Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 Originally posted by fuzzface71 That's my guess too. Since it might be one of the only few available at the time. Is there anything out there that can come close? Q-Tron of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzface71 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 Originally posted by bieke Q-Tron of course I don't think that I've even tried one of those yet. What about the mini, are they ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 I haven't heard that exact track, but I know Zappa used this rare flanger effect that used an envelope instead of an lfo a lot. Only other place I've heard that sound is on a zoom gfx 707. it basically increases the (very short) delay time the harder you play. Forgive me if I'm no where near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzface71 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 Originally posted by Lanefair I haven't heard that exact track, but I know Zappa used this rare flanger effect that used an envelope instead of an lfo a lot. Only other place I've heard that sound is on a zoom gfx 707. it basically increases the (very short) delay time the harder you play. Forgive me if I'm no where near. This sounds interesting, because the effect also have this flangey-delay tone. I believe he also used the same effect on Ship Ahoy on Shut Up And Play Your Guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bieke Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 Originally posted by fuzzface71 This sounds interesting, because the effect also have this flangey-delay tone. I believe he also used the same effect on Ship Ahoy on Shut Up And Play Your Guitar. Aha, than it might not be the Mutron III, but a voltage control filter (VCF) circuit from an old Oberheim keyboard, which provides the insanely funky sample-and-hold percolation effect heard on "Ship Ahoy" from Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar. On "Ship Ahoy", Zappa also used a MicMix Dynaflanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzface71 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 So will Q-tron do the trick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 The 'time trip' effect on the Zoom GFX707 pretty much nails it. A qtron will get you close, but it clearly won't sound like a flanger. Maybe that pigtronix thing will nail it, even though it's a phaser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members desertlimosine Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 I love that song, and always wondered about the filter sounds and s/h sounds he has in the songs mentioned. Very cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members endo23 Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 I used to think maybe it was a PolyPhase, since that has an envelope-controlled phaser? (The "Ship Ahoy" solo is definitely an Oberheim sample-and-hold, though.) DynaFlanger... mmmmmmmmm... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23790&item=7390504207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 The Robotalk will do that on fast settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 Is it just me, or does the song Zoot Allures sound like the basis for the album Flexable? I love me some Zappa and Vai... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members endo23 Posted April 25, 2006 Members Share Posted April 25, 2006 My friend and former roommate Pete Griffin is playing bass on the ZAPPA PLAYS ZAPPA tour. Sounds like it's gonna be SICK. Vai will be there, as well as Terry Bozzio and other special guests... Check 'em out if they swing through your city: http://www.zappa.com/cheezoid/whatsnew/zpz/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzface71 Posted April 26, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 26, 2006 Originally posted by endo23 My friend and former roommate Pete Griffin is playing bass on the ZAPPA PLAYS ZAPPA tour. Sounds like it's gonna be SICK. Vai will be there, as well as Terry Bozzio and other special guests...Check 'em out if they swing through your city:http://www.zappa.com/cheezoid/whatsnew/zpz/ Cool link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzface71 Posted April 26, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 26, 2006 Originally posted by ColorsoundKid Is it just me, or does the song Zoot Allures sound like the basis for the album Flexable? I love me some Zappa and Vai... Vai is a total Zappa wannabe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JohnnyShades Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 What is that effect he's using around 2:16 on "Black Napkins" from Zoot Allures? I'm sure it's an enevelope filter, but what kind? I've been listening to some Zappa again these days. Frank is using an Oberheim SEM Voltage Controlled Filter. Each SEM contains 2 VCOs, so an 8-Voice in unison mode could produce 16 oscillators of fatness. Currently SEMs are commonly used as "building blocks" for custom made modular synths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dan Hope Posted March 3, 2020 Members Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 4/25/2006 at 10:25 AM, fuzzface71 said: What is that effect he's using around 2:16 on "Black Napkins" from Zoot Allures? I'm sure it's an enevelope filter, but what kind? I've been listening to some Zappa again these days. In the sheet music it says turn on VCF. Voltage control filter. He had a mad scientist guy making stuff for him. I have a robot talk envelope filter. It has a sweep that you can tweak. It’s very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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