Members HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 I have a general question about compressors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members whowasthursday Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 I have no idea. I just realized that I like the way you write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Is it not just the nature of the beast that the noise floor is raised on any compressor, thus rendering void the possibility of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Originally posted by whowasthursday I have no idea. I just realized that I like the way you write. Well, I like the way you talk. Urmremmph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jack Luminous Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Originally posted by HeHateMe Is it not just the nature of the beast that the noise floor is raised on any compressor, thus rendering void the possibility of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe Actually, put any active electronics into the signal path and you get increased noise. Basic physics in action. However, some designs are quieter than others, and the amount of compression you use will also have an effect on the amount of noise you hear - as will the amount of noise in the rest of the chain (pre-compression pedal) - the compressor is going to bring up the noise floor of anything in front of it. The only "noise free" compression is a finger riding a fader / attenuator. Everything else? Yeah, they all add noise. The real question is, "how much?" Huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kaddish Poznan Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 What are all of the compressors out there that have a built-in noise gate (and why don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Craise Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Yes, Bjfe Pale Green Compressor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jack Luminous Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Originally posted by HeHateMe What are all of the compressors out there that have a built-in noise gate (and why don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gil1 Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 I think part of the issue is what kind of noise. Some compressors hiss - self-noise. All compressors will boost the hum or buzz of your guitar. The hiss is not so good, but happens with some good compressors, too. The boosting of hum, well it's gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wahaha Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 +1 on the BJF Pale Green Compressor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Originally posted by Jack Luminous I know of only one in a pedal form and it's the TC sustainer. I don't understand myself why nobody else does it as it seems mandatory IMHO when using the comp with any kind of dist/overdrive. I guess I should have actually looked at what all them knobs are on the Oxygen compressor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jack Luminous Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Originally posted by HeHateMe So, so far, the collection of comps that have gots a noise gate are the TC Sustainer, the Black Box O2, and the BJF Pale Green. The BJF doesn't have a gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eddie Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Yep! And it also has a gate, which is very useful. Sound clips are here:http://www.blackboxmusicfx.com/oxy.html#sound While the pedal looks the same, there have been a few revisions. I think the changes are minimal, but just for your information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Originally posted by Jack Luminous The BJF doesn't have a gate. So the TC Sustainer & the Black Box O2 are the only two compressors out there with a noise gate? Anyone know if the Vox Snake charmer gots one? It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teahead Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 The BJF PGC is the quietest I've played. Adds no audible noise at all with my set up. Excellent sounding comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Craise Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 oops...sorry Yes the PGC doesn't have a gate..but don't need one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phishmarisol Posted April 28, 2006 Members Share Posted April 28, 2006 Barber and Diamond. Both quiet as hell. ps. Hell is very quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Elliott Damage Posted April 29, 2006 Members Share Posted April 29, 2006 Originally posted by phishmarisol Barber and Diamond. Both quiet as hell. ps. Hell is very quiet. you have tried both right? which did you prefer?i used to have a Tone Press. It was top notch. wouldn't mind trying the Diamond! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blungo Posted April 29, 2006 Members Share Posted April 29, 2006 Originally posted by Elliott Damage you have tried both right? which did you prefer?i used to have a Tone Press. It was top notch. wouldn't mind trying the Diamond! Me too. The Tone Press is my favorite comp so far, but i'm curious about the diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phishmarisol Posted April 29, 2006 Members Share Posted April 29, 2006 Yeah I've had them both. Had a tone press for a while, then sold it and eventually got another and sold it, lol. The Diamond really is like a studio compressor in a pedal. It has great tone, the EQ can get killer sparkle when up all the way, but it's a subtle compressor. IMO, all good compressors are but this one was just too subtle for me. I need more squish than it provided. The Barber is a little flatter EQ'd and dull in response compared to the Diamond. I think they are both comps that aren't really noticed til you turn them off. They are both easy to sell on the used market too. I don't even know what I sold my Diamond for now, I think about $15 less than I paid new. Also I think the Barber is more versatile. I didn't find a huge range in the Diamonds comp knob. It's kind of like really subtle to subtle, lol. I think the Diamond is really a "finishing touch" kind of pedal, and could really ALMOST double as an EQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Redfox777 Posted April 29, 2006 Members Share Posted April 29, 2006 I had a Diamond comp for a while that was pretty quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jack Luminous Posted May 4, 2006 Members Share Posted May 4, 2006 Originally posted by Teahead The BJF PGC is the quietest I've played. Adds no audible noise at all with my set up. Excellent sounding comp. Eh... Maybe you're only using clean tones. Put some healthy gain behind the comp and hear the tornado coming... You need a gate no matter what with a comp and a gainy tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teahead Posted May 4, 2006 Members Share Posted May 4, 2006 Originally posted by Jack Luminous Eh... Maybe you're only using clean tones. Put some healthy gain behind the comp and hear the tornado coming... You need a gate no matter what with a comp and a gainy tone. I couldn't disagree more. I have clips in my sig where my amp is fully cranked and the "Comp" knob of the PGC is also fully cranked... guess what? There's not a tornado to be heard, in fact there's barely a whisper. I also have an Octron and often a Fuzz after the PGC on my board, still it doesn't produce enough noise to bother me. Clicking the comp on & off when the other pedals are engaged makes very little difference to the hiss they produce. Perhaps it's because I use Kinmans? Perhaps I'm using less gain than other users? I can only speculate, but I'd imagine that if you get too much noise with the PGC, you probably had too much noise to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jack Luminous Posted May 4, 2006 Members Share Posted May 4, 2006 Originally posted by Teahead I couldn't disagree more. I have clips in my sig where my amp is fully cranked and the "Comp" knob of the PGC is also fully cranked... guess what? There's not a tornado to be heard, in fact there's barely a whisper. I also have an Octron and often a Fuzz after the PGC on my board, still it doesn't produce enough noise to bother me. Clicking the comp on & off when the other pedals are engaged makes very little difference to the hiss they produce.Perhaps it's because I use Kinmans? Perhaps I'm using less gain than other users? I can only speculate, but I'd imagine that if you get too much noise with the PGC, you probably had too much noise to begin with. Sounds very strange to me. Either it's a compressor and it raises the noise floor, or it doesn't compress. It's that simple. I have no personal experience with that pedal but logically, I don't understand how it is possible to compress and not cause hiss at some point. Maybe it doesn't hiss when you're playing. It's normal. But if you let a sustained note ring, or stop playing, leaving the comp on, you must hear the noise floor raising and raising and raising until oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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