Members gregovertone Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 he's a badass..... i've figured out some of his crap from seeing them 7 times, and watching his moves. gear his rig used to be Guitar: PRS cu22 or schecter FX: (not the proper order) tu2 boss cs3 comp 4 DL4's (3 for loops, 1 for delays) Boss RV3 Boss GE7 digitech whammy ri ibanez ts9 -a 1/2 rack compressor sits on his amp, on all the time Amp: Fender Twin w/ mesa recto 2x12 on the current tour: - he added a BOSS DD20 in the open space on the board pictured. ---this is used primarily for short, staccato delays, that have many repeats. -he replaced the fender twin w/ a mesa LoneStar combo. sounded damn good-- and my guess, its more reliable than the fenders he was using (and breaking). ==== song by song breakdown .....a lot of young kids have been comin in asking to learn their songs, so i have been lucky enough to learn most of the catalog. if i had a tabbing program, id transcribe the catalog....but BEAR with me for now.....ill do main riff themes. if you have questions, ill post more of the songs......but for now......just a few nice riffs.... minus the bear, riff by riff.... *all songs drop D common chords: #1 5th/9th chords (in A) e x B x G 9 D 9 A 7 D 7 #2 5th (in D) e 5 B 3 G 0 D x A 5 D x Highly Redefined Pirates 1. Crisco Twister -clean amp verse progression.... right hand hammer b string, 12th fret, pull open hammer chord #1 in A hammer g string, 12th fret, pull open hammer chord #1 in F hammer b string 15th fret, pull open hammer chord #1 in F hammer g string 14th fret, pull open ### 02 Monkey!!! Knife!!! Fight!!! chord #1 F#, B, D tap and pull an octave at c# 16th fret, 5th string (dont really know this one) no special fx ### 03 Absinthe party at the fly honey warehouse chord/tap/chord/tap intro chord progression: G G G G B C E E E E tap 4th string 12th fret, pull to open tap 3rd string 12th fret, pull to open no special fx ### Boogaloo hold chord #2 in C tap 10th fret on 5th and 2nd 2x, pull off tap 10th fret 1st string, pull off tap 12 fret 5th string tap 12 fret 1st string, pull off move chord to E repeat tapping move chord to D repeat tapping no special fx ### 08 Spritz!!! Spritz!! left hand: hammer 5ths on 6th and 5th string w/1st finger E...G.A...B Right Hand tapping octaves and chords in quarter notes.... practice w/ 1st finger- 14th Dstring 2nd finger- 15th B string ========= Beer Commercials. Fine + 2 pts intro/chorus: left hand: tap octave on 6 and 4 string, 9th fret, quarter notes Right, tap octaves, 12th fret, slide to 14, repeat, then 16th fret.... FX- compressor, rv3, whammy (1oct up) verse: same chords/tones w/out whammy ### 04 I'm Totally Not Down With Rob's Alien chord #1, G slide up B tap 15th fret 2nd string chord #1, G slide up B tap 15 2nd string, tap 17 2nd string. cool tap riff 16th fret 3rd string (rt hand 1st finger), 15th fret 2nd string (lft, 1st finger), 17th 1st string (rt, mid) 15th fret 2nd string (lft, 1st), 19th 1st string (rt, mid) - pull to open ### ============= Menos El Oso 01 The Game Needed Me intro: 2 dl4's.....different sample riffs. riff one: basic chord riff two: sample of chord depressed by whammy bar, w/ increasing tension (press and release) (haven't had to teach this yet, going by what i saw) 02 Memphis and 53rd main chord: (barre 3rd fret, 1st 3 strings) e 3 (hammering onto 5th during verse melody) B 5 w/3rd finger (hammer onto 6 w/ pinky) G 3 D 5 w/ 2nd finger A x D x FX: DD20 on with rapid delays, many repeats 04 The Fix 1st chord e 14 B 12 G 14 D x A 14 D x 2nd chord e 12 B 10 G 12 D x A 12 D x progression: 1 2 2 1 sample on DL4 w/ half time button engaged. triggers are then an octave up. he then strums the same chords.....at the 4th fret, and open, respectively. ### 06 Pachuca Sunrise left hand progression: hammer 1st finger 5ths G right hand: tap 4th string octave at 16th fret repeat both A right hand: tap 4th string octave at 14th fret repeat both B right hand: tap 4th string octave at 12th fret FX: DD20 on with rapid delays, many repeats ### Drilling e 2 B 5 G 2 D 4 A D strum the chord....sample while on half time, trigger at reg speed for octave up effect. arpeggiate the chord, and trigger the high octave sample at the end of the riff. ===== 08 Hooray sample this chord-- trigger in eighths e 14 B 12 G 14 D 12 chorus: (all on 6th string) tap 11 hammer 2 to 4 tap 9 hammer 2 to 4 tap 7 hammer 2 to 4 tap 9 hammer 2 to 4 (quicker) tap 14, hammer 2/4, tap 13, hammer 2/4 Fill before last chorus ....same as chorus ..but tapped on 4th string ...GE7 on, bass flat, treb flat, mids pushed fx: rv3, DL4 set to short rapid delays, limited repeats ### 11 This Ain't a Surfin Movie 1st chord (barre 14th fret, 1st 4 strings) e 17 pinky B 15 G 16 D 14 A x D x e 14 B 15 G 16 D 14 A x D x e 14 B 17 pinky G 16 D 14 A x D x e 14 B 15 G 17 pinky D 14 A x D x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members best.album.ever Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 well, well done who the {censored} are the knudsons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 4 DL-4's and a DD-20? {censored}... And I thought I had problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members musicbox Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 when did he switch to the lonestar? when i saw a few weeks ago in vancouver he was using the twin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iwantpedals Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 i saw them the first of april and also saw a twin. my friends in milwaukee and at coachella also saw twins. maybe it was a one time thing. also... (i'm quite a MTB nerd..) the samples in game needed me are: first basic chord: top three or four notes of a Dm 10th position chord whammy thing:what i do that passes well enough for doing covers is fretting an F#m9 (i think): ebg 9d 7a 9e you hold the whammy down, then release it pretty quickly.... yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iwantpedals Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 as for drilling, haven't really worked on it, but i think that it's something like:you play F#, E, and C# from a 9th position F#m7, then that high part is a sampled chord which is 11 on 3rd string, 10 on 2nd, and 12 on 1st. i think it's also a reversed loop. chorus chords are F# D B A (in drop d/5ths) last chorus is F# D A B C# and the verse part in pachuca that he plays is: 11 -- 9 -- 7 (bends) 7 -- 9 -- 11 (bends) i also tap the chords then play the higher notes if that makes sense so with my first left finger, play G - 11th A - 9th B - 7th (bend) B - 7th A - 9th G - 11th bend i could also see him possibly using the whammy during that part but i don't know. i'm still working on that cool loop at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AbbeSauniere Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 Botch>Minus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members musicbox Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 his guitar is a ce22 by the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 they sound really great in concept but i just didnt dig their tunes, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gregovertone Posted May 3, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 Originally posted by musicbox his guitar is a ce22 by the way... i was pretty sure it was a set neck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members musicbox Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 if the old minus the bear forum was still up, i could show you the thread. there were quite a few threads where he described his setup, the fender reissue which he had modified so he could run the boogie cab, and the ce22,but dreamed of owning a cu24. jake even sold a few guitars on the forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gregovertone Posted May 3, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 i dunno dood......looks like a CU to me iirc, ce's necks don't match the bodies...necks are satiny, unfinished. i vaguely remember those threads on the mtb boards. i wanted to get jakes extra twin bummed me out when they took those down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iwantpedals Posted May 3, 2006 Members Share Posted May 3, 2006 let's play guitar in a five guitar band's main tapping riffs are:verse e b h5h12p5h15p5gd h9a h9p0h2h5e chorus ebg 7-0-7-0-9-0-9-0 d h9p0h2h5 a h9p0h2h5 x3 e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gregovertone Posted May 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 12, 2006 saw mtb tonight..... still using a mesa lonestar. its his new touring amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iwantpedals Posted May 12, 2006 Members Share Posted May 12, 2006 mesa? bring back the twin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Tortoise Posted May 12, 2006 Members Share Posted May 12, 2006 minus the bear? bring back botch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iwantpedals Posted May 12, 2006 Members Share Posted May 12, 2006 botch? bring back elvis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iwantpedals Posted July 31, 2006 Members Share Posted July 31, 2006 yeah, he had a white lonestar. what's with the bottle of pills on his amp every gig? greg, do you know how to get the cool part/sound at the end of pachuca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members inscho Posted July 31, 2006 Members Share Posted July 31, 2006 awesome! that dude is a total badass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beardcom Posted July 31, 2006 Members Share Posted July 31, 2006 in botch he used a shecter double cut and then a les paul double cut into a mesa boogie dual rec. i think the clean parts on anthology were recorded with his twin. no idea on effects, but he didn't use much until after we are the romans i know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sh333 Posted July 31, 2006 Members Share Posted July 31, 2006 Thanks Man. I do loves me some MTB!!!!!11! Botch was great too, but there is really no point comparing them. To me they seem worlds apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Tortoise Posted July 31, 2006 Members Share Posted July 31, 2006 Originally posted by sh333 Thanks Man. I do loves me some MTB!!!!!11!Botch was great too, but there is really no point comparing them. To me they seem worlds apart. well - they are worlds apart in terms of the music they play. but botch left one of the biggest imprints in their genre with we are the romans, and influenced countless bands that are still playing today. MTB is uninspired imho, especially given their all-star lineup. and, i have a feeling that after they are done, their imprint will have been much smaller than botch's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sh333 Posted July 31, 2006 Members Share Posted July 31, 2006 Originally posted by The Tortoise well - they are worlds apart in terms of the music they play. but botch left one of the biggest imprints in their genre with we are the romans, and influenced countless bands that are still playing today. MTB is uninspired imho, especially given their all-star lineup. and, i have a feeling that after they are done, their imprint will have been much smaller than botch's. I kind of agree. I really loved Botch and you hear their influence in tons of bands (many of which I am not digging so much). They kinda tied together my love of Math rock with my love of hardcore. I might just be getting old, but I kinda dig the mellow yacht-rock cheese of MTB quite a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gregovertone Posted July 31, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2006 Originally posted by iwantpedals yeah, he had a white lonestar. what's with the bottle of pills on his amp every gig? greg, do you know how to get the cool part/sound at the end of pachuca? the end of pachuca is just the main riff....---looped on the dl4-----which is set for 1/2 time-------which is then used for that double time/octave up sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beardcom Posted July 31, 2006 Members Share Posted July 31, 2006 especially given their all-star lineup. unfortunately, not as star studded as it should be. nobody even remembers botch. scene hardcore kids have no idea all that stuff was basically invented a few years ago by botch and related bands. me and a few of my friends were the only people i knew who listened to botch even when they were around. botch is pretty much the band that made me wanna play guitar seriously. whereas alot of indie rock kids nowadays are riding minus the bear's jock. minus the bear is cool though, i saw em a few years ago at bottom of the hill. very tight live, dave knudson is so ridiculous to watch. and sharks keep moving weren't that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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